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Old September 15 2009, 10:04 PM   #91
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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I think the lens flare thing is a bit exaggerated by people.
Agreed. I barely noticed it.
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Old September 16 2009, 07:46 AM   #92
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

In 20 years or so, when they do yet another version of ST, I bet they do a complete reboot without a nod to either the first or second version. It was a unique way of retooling the franchise, though. After all, you never saw that in any Superman or Batman reboot. I do kind of fall in the "straight reboot" camp now, though, even though months ago I was fine with the way they did it. And the next time they do a reboot, I hope Kirk doesn't go from cadet to captain in hours! -- RR
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Old September 16 2009, 06:35 PM   #93
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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Hm... Nemesis was a failure indeed. Insurrection was not. Adjusted for inflation, Insurrection did just as well as Undiscovered Country.

Hm... A quick visit to boxofficemojo.com (or any other movie site) reveals that TUC did 74.9M in 1991 dollars and Insurrection did 70.1M in 1998 dollars.

Adjusted for inflation, TUC clobbered Insurrection at the box office.
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Old September 17 2009, 05:35 AM   #94
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

I loved this movie...but I would have preferred they just told the origin of the Enterprise crew in our universe using new actors. I would have had old Spock on Romulus during a peace treaty (or possibly after Nemesis trying to forge a peace with the new Romulan government) tell the story of Captain Kirk's first mission as Captain of the Enterprise (we would need to retcon some of the events of Where No Man Has Gone Before to include Checkov, and McCoy).
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Old September 17 2009, 12:43 PM   #95
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Hm... Nemesis was a failure indeed. Insurrection was not. Adjusted for inflation, Insurrection did just as well as Undiscovered Country.

Hm... A quick visit to boxofficemojo.com (or any other movie site) reveals that TUC did 74.9M in 1991 dollars and Insurrection did 70.1M in 1998 dollars.

Adjusted for inflation, TUC clobbered Insurrection at the box office.
Worldwide, TUC made 96 million, INS made 112 million.
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Old September 17 2009, 08:12 PM   #96
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Worldwide, TUC made 96 million, INS made 112 million.
Again, not adjusted.

1991 ticket = $6.75
1998 ticket = $8.50

Ah, the good old days.
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Old September 18 2009, 12:41 AM   #97
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

While we're at it... how successful is the new movie compared to TUC, taken the budget/gross relation into account?

TUC: made 2.7 times its budget domestically, 3.5 worldwide.
Generations: made 1.9 times its budget, 3.1 worldwide
First Contact: made 2 times its budget, 3.2 worldwide, and FC even has a 93% Fresh rating on RT.
INS: made 1.2 times its budget, 2 worldwide.
nuTrek: made 1.8 times its budget, 2.7 worldwide.

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Old September 18 2009, 02:31 AM   #98
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Budgets are misleading. IIRC, Star Trek The Motion Picture barely broke even despite HUGE box office returns.
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Old September 18 2009, 03:19 AM   #99
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
While we're at it... how successful is the new movie compared to TUC, taken the budget/gross relation into account?

TUC: made 2.7 times its budget domestically, 3.5 worldwide.
Generations: made 1.9 times its budget, 3.1 worldwide
First Contact: made 2 times its budget, 3.2 worldwide, and FC even has a 93% Fresh rating on RT.
INS: made 1.2 times its budget, 2 worldwide.
nuTrek: made 1.8 times its budget, 2.7 worldwide.
Even with the evidence that the other posters have put up, INS seems to have made the least amount proportionately compared to the rest on your list. So yeah, it's still a dud. It's nice that nuTrek is in the same ballpark as Generations and First Contact; those numbers plus DS9's creativity and Voyager's ratings was probably the height of contemporary Trek's popularity.

Additionally, newtype_alpha's correct on misleading budgets. TMP's paradoxical success and failure is what facilitated the huge revamp for TWOK.

I'm reminded of the Ocean's 11 franchise. Steven Soderbergh and George Clooney have both said they want to make a fourth film. However, each film made less than the last, and while they were all very profitable, the last one was considered not profitable enough that the studio is balking at the idea of a fourth film. It's just another lesson that the big picture has to be taken into account.
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Old September 18 2009, 03:39 AM   #100
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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Ya know, I saw the movie twice before I noticed lens flares. I read about the lens flares here before the third time.

I think the lens flare thing is a bit exaggerated by people.
I'm with you!
As am I!

And to be honest, for those who really have a problem with it, JJ seems to agree with you, and is likely to not include so many in the next one (something about the lens flares were actually physically and deliberately present when they shot the scenes and couldn't be removed in editing).
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I think the lens flare thing is a bit exaggerated by people.
Agreed. I barely noticed it.
I kept reading about the dreaded lens flares on this board. Once the Kelvin came onscreen I forgot to look for those dreaded lens flares. This movie captured me from the first scene until the last... there were lens flares?
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Old September 18 2009, 12:52 PM   #101
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Budgets are misleading. IIRC, Star Trek The Motion Picture barely broke even despite HUGE box office returns.
While these days the main focus is on a do-or-die, huge opening weekend, TMP was more of a "sleeper" hit. It ran in some cinemas for over six to eight months - and I seem to remember a short piece in "Starlog" whereby Paramount execs expressed surprise that TMP had actually made a profit after all, despite its over-inflated budget and Paramount's creative accounting to write-off its "Phase II" development money.
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Old September 18 2009, 06:32 PM   #102
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I think it should have been a gay reboot.
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Old September 19 2009, 12:47 AM   #103
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Budgets are misleading. IIRC, Star Trek The Motion Picture barely broke even despite HUGE box office returns.
While these days the main focus is on a do-or-die, huge opening weekend, TMP was more of a "sleeper" hit.
Not in the US. Of the 55 or 56 mil it made in domestic rentals (not gross, rentals), 39 of that came in 1979 between 12/7 and 12/31. The 'biggest opening ever' was something like 950 or 1000 screens here.

Domestically, the film was playing to empty theaters everywhere in January, but the theaters had to carry the film (i think it was something like a 12 week or longer guarantee, but most places flaked on it.)
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Old September 19 2009, 03:50 AM   #104
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Old September 19 2009, 04:46 AM   #105
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It will be great in 2029, or 2039, when the next reboot of Trek happens. We'll have people saying 'Blasphemy! It won't be a patch on Abrams vision' and 'Whoever this new Kirk is, he ain't no Chris Pine!'

Someone will say 'Well, you know, there was this earlier version of Trek' and get nothing but blank stares.

Trekkies are eternal. We'll have people fighting over who is the definitive Kirk, three, four, reboots down the track; and hundreds of years from now.
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