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Old September 8 2009, 06:45 AM   #46
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

To me, it boils down to....

Is this a Star Trek style/universe/reboot/whatever that I embrace?

No.

If they wanted to do a Kirk, Spock era story.

Do one, forget telling us about old Spock or anything.

Just tell a good story.
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Old September 8 2009, 10:18 AM   #47
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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How about we just get rid of the word "reboot" altogether? No one can even agree on what it means
Normal people can.
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Old September 8 2009, 07:09 PM   #48
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

This is a Star Trek forum, there are no normal people here.
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Old September 8 2009, 07:12 PM   #49
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

Oh yeah.
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Old September 8 2009, 08:00 PM   #50
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

While I wish the Spock Prime/Nero backstory had been thought out a little better, I do think this is still probably the best solution they could have come up with.

Having Nero come back from the future jumpstarts the story in a MUCH stronger way than simply telling the mundane story of how Kirk and Spock slowly rose through the ranks to become officers on the Enterprise. That kind of thing works fine in the books, but the movie really needed to speed the process up and throw these two together in a more exciting way. Hence, Nero.

I'm not really sure what other device they could have used to accomplish that.

Yeah I know the diehards would have been perfectly happy with just a typical "biopic" kind of movie... but I really doubt the studio would have ever gone for it.
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Old September 8 2009, 08:44 PM   #51
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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How about we just get rid of the word "reboot" altogether? No one can even agree on what it means
Normal people can.
Normal people wouldn't use the word at all, except perhaps as an increasingly dated term for restarting one's computer. Around places like this, the more people you ask, the greater the number you'll have of different (and often incompatible) meanings for the word "reboot".
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Old September 8 2009, 08:56 PM   #52
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

Batman Begins should've began with the Scarecrow going back in time to the 60's Batman movie and altering the time-line to the current Begins/Dark Knight one. Adam West could've had a cameo.

Why didn't that happen? Because it's retarded.[/QUOTE]

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Old September 8 2009, 09:11 PM   #53
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A straight reboot would have had no emotional connection to TOS.
As if that new target audience of current teens had any emotional connection to TOS.

The trailers were cool. And Sylar was in it. And Abrams directed it. That's why it was successful.

That the characters were called Kirk and Spock is totally irrelevant.
The trailers were well done and got people who weren't into Trek interested. Quinto likely had little effect. I doubt the 8-10 million viewers who still bother to watch "Heroes" made that much of a difference since a lot of them would be pre-disposed to watch sci-fi anyway.
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Old September 8 2009, 09:13 PM   #54
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

davejames wrote: View Post
While I wish the Spock Prime/Nero backstory had been thought out a little better, I do think this is still probably the best solution they could have come up with.

Having Nero come back from the future jumpstarts the story in a MUCH stronger way than simply telling the mundane story of how Kirk and Spock slowly rose through the ranks to become officers on the Enterprise. That kind of thing works fine in the books, but the movie really needed to speed the process up and throw these two together in a more exciting way. Hence, Nero.

I'm not really sure what other device they could have used to accomplish that.
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Old September 8 2009, 09:51 PM   #55
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While I wish the Spock Prime/Nero backstory had been thought out a little better, I do think this is still probably the best solution they could have come up with.

Having Nero come back from the future jumpstarts the story in a MUCH stronger way than simply telling the mundane story of how Kirk and Spock slowly rose through the ranks to become officers on the Enterprise. That kind of thing works fine in the books, but the movie really needed to speed the process up and throw these two together in a more exciting way. Hence, Nero.

I'm not really sure what other device they could have used to accomplish that.
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I don't follow you. What about Khan?
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Old September 8 2009, 09:53 PM   #56
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davejames wrote: View Post
While I wish the Spock Prime/Nero backstory had been thought out a little better, I do think this is still probably the best solution they could have come up with.

Having Nero come back from the future jumpstarts the story in a MUCH stronger way than simply telling the mundane story of how Kirk and Spock slowly rose through the ranks to become officers on the Enterprise. That kind of thing works fine in the books, but the movie really needed to speed the process up and throw these two together in a more exciting way. Hence, Nero.

I'm not really sure what other device they could have used to accomplish that.
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I don't follow you. What about Khan?
I think he's saying they should've used Khan as the heavy in the film. Terrible idea if you ask me.
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Old September 8 2009, 10:16 PM   #57
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Batman Begins should've began with the Scarecrow going back in time to the 60's Batman movie and altering the time-line to the current Begins/Dark Knight one. Adam West could've had a cameo.

Why didn't that happen? Because it's retarded.
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Old September 8 2009, 10:19 PM   #58
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Normal people wouldn't use the word at all, except perhaps as an increasingly dated term for restarting one's computer. Around places like this, the more people you ask, the greater the number you'll have of different (and often incompatible) meanings for the word "reboot".
But anyone who doesn't take it to mean...
Reboot, in serial fiction, means a discarding of much or even all previous continuity in the series, to start anew. Effectively, all previously-known fictive history is declared by the writer(s) to be null and void, or at least irrelevant to the current storyline, and the series starts over.
...would be wrong.
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

I don't care. It works as a reboot, a reimagining and a continuation. It was hugely successful. I loved it and I don't care.
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Old September 8 2009, 11:03 PM   #60
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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I think he's saying they should've used Khan as the heavy in the film. Terrible idea if you ask me.
Perhaps, but my point is that Nero isn't the only possible bad guy they could have used. There could have been any number of antagonists who were *native* to that time period. (Even Nero, with a bit of rewriting, could have worked that way.) Indeed, if ST XI had been a flat-out reboot, the possibilities would truly be limitless.

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an increasingly dated term for restarting one's computer.
How is it dated?
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