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Old September 29 2009, 09:38 PM   #151
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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Yeah it's not like they had a 150 million budget and 10 years of advancement in make up and digital make up (much of it thanks to ILM) to make an old age Quinto work. Instead they cast an actor who looks nothing like Quinto to play his character at old age.
Yeah, gotta work on that sarcasm-detector there, bud. Even the almighty Smiley face failed!

Besides, it didn't quite work in Benjamin Button, and the whole movie revolved around CGI and prosthetics. We've got bigger things to focus CGI on, like the pew-pew and ships that go zoom.
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Old September 29 2009, 09:47 PM   #152
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Sarcasm is for winners, dude.

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Old September 29 2009, 10:07 PM   #153
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We've got bigger things to focus CGI on, like the pew-pew and ships that go zoom.
There's the problem with modern Star Trek right there.
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Old September 29 2009, 10:08 PM   #154
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I think you could claim some of those as fan service, yes, but I don't think Nimoy's place in the film or his performance were fan service in the least
Which is shame because fan service is exactly what it was. Why do you think they didn't just use old age prosthetics on Quinto?

Because it was a way to pass the baton, if you will, and because they COULD use Nimoy one more time as Spock. I would have been very unhappy if they HAD 'aged' Quinto when they could have used Nimoy. His presence was wonderful. To be able to see him as Spock, to hear him say "Live Long and Prosper" one more time meant a great deal to me and to many other fans. This is just my opinion, but i think you may be seeing this in a very cynical light as opposed to seeing it as the gift that it was.
So it was fan service. Just like I said it was : |
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Old September 29 2009, 10:45 PM   #155
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^ If it makes you happy you can label it "fan service" or anything else you want....

I've been around here long enough to know that no matter what i or anyone else says, nothing will change your mind.

I really do feel badly for you and the other people who cannot accept and enjoy the new movie. But, we are all entitled to our opinions, so it is what it is.

Im just glad that i gave the movie a chance and ended up loving it. It makes me happy and i am sorry that you are unable to enjoy it.
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Old September 29 2009, 11:02 PM   #156
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^ If it makes you happy you can label it "fan service" or anything else you want....
But it is fan service. You even said so yourself:
seeing it as the gift that it was.
What I feel about it is irrelevant. Fan service is both good and bad depending on what side of the fence of the you fall.
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Old September 29 2009, 11:03 PM   #157
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Oh, listen, I think they are playing the "I'm am so sorry for you" song again. It's in the play list just before "You just don't know how to enjoy anything" and "Lighten up, it's just a popcorn flick".
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Old September 29 2009, 11:16 PM   #158
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"Lighten up, it's just a popcorn flick".
I love that one. Like a 'popcorn' Star Trek movie is somehow a good thing.

For the record, I don't even hate the new movie but apparently you can't say anything even slightly negative without being labeled a 'hater' or something.
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Old September 30 2009, 12:32 AM   #159
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Oh, listen, I think they are playing the "I'm am so sorry for you" song again. It's in the play list just before "You just don't know how to enjoy anything" and "Lighten up, it's just a popcorn flick".

Guys, im not here for a pissing contest, but i do feel the need to clarify something. When i said i feel badly for people that are unhappy with the movie i was not being sarcastic.

This movie truly makes me happy. I felt younger every time i left the theater. It was a joyful experience for me, and i really do feel badly that everyone doesnt feel that way about it....because it is a wonderful feeling.
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Old September 30 2009, 12:55 AM   #160
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I think you could claim some of those as fan service, yes, but I don't think Nimoy's place in the film or his performance were fan service in the least
Which is shame because fan service is exactly what it was. Why do you think they didn't just use old age prosthetics on Quinto?
Cuz old age prosthetics almost never ever work
You don't let Westmore do it, you get somebody with the greatness of a Dick Smith or Rick Baker ... and those old age makeups don't just work, you don't even realize they are folks in makeup (most people, anyway ... Von Sydow in EXORCIST is the classic example, and that was 35 years ago.)
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Old September 30 2009, 02:52 PM   #161
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Yeah it's not like they had a 150 million budget and 10 years of advancement in make up and digital make up (much of it thanks to ILM) to make an old age Quinto work. Instead they cast an actor who looks nothing like Quinto to play his character at old age.
Because everything should be done that way.
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Old October 1 2009, 12:29 PM   #162
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Instead they cast an actor who looks nothing like Quinto to play his character at old age.
And yet Quinto looks uncannily like Nimoy in so many scenes...
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Old October 1 2009, 12:35 PM   #163
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Instead they cast an actor who looks nothing like Quinto to play his character at old age.
And yet Quinto looks uncannily like Nimoy in so many scenes...
Quite.

Look, if they weren't having Nimoy in the movie, there would not be an old Spock. This is the whole point of that character and the reason there's a time travel plot, to reboot the franchise using time alteration.

That said, it worked. Is it fanservicey to include old Spock? Yes. Is it also fanservicey for every single character to state their full name in the movie (well, except Spock and Uhura) when introuced, get at least one cool hero moment, and treat the revelation of Uhura's first name like it's a big event? Hell yes.

Is all of this also pretty cool? Again, hell yes. While there are problems in the movie's plot, the basic idea of the reboot and especially the inclusion of Leonard Nimoy were both excellent calls.
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Old October 1 2009, 12:48 PM   #164
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And yet Quinto looks uncannily like Nimoy in so many scenes...
When?
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Old October 1 2009, 12:56 PM   #165
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Re: Should it have been a straight reboot?

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And yet Quinto looks uncannily like Nimoy in so many scenes...
When?
So now we can only have an actor playing a young Spock that looks EXACTLY like Nimoy for you to accept him? Get over it.
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