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Old September 13 2009, 12:38 PM   #1
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Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

Kirks grows up without his dad in his life so ends up becomming a delinquant instead of a respected starfleet officer.

Nice to see fathers getting some credit/praise for a change. Normally dads are either the bad guy or just outright dopey.
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Old September 13 2009, 03:02 PM   #2
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

Surely it's evil stepmothers that get all the bad rep

I've only really noticed the daddy issues lately in Lost. So many flawed fathers are in that show.
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Old September 13 2009, 04:38 PM   #3
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

If you read the screenplay excerpts in this thread, you'll see that it seemed as though Kirk was on the straight and narrow despite losing his dad until he more or less snapped from his uncle/stepfather's provocations. It's true that fathers were pretty heroic in the film. Kirk's father gives his life. Spock's father comes across as sympathetic from the outset. I think in general fathers have been handled fairly in Star Trek. Worf and Alexander come to mind. There was the occasional deadbeat dad--Gul Dukat or Enabran Tain--but I feel as though that's the exception in Star Trek.
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Old September 13 2009, 06:49 PM   #4
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

Hey, Chancellor Gorkon jump-starts the road to peace and the plot of an entire movie... and he's a dad
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Old September 13 2009, 06:52 PM   #5
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

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There was the occasional deadbeat dad--Gul Dukat or Enabran Tain--but I feel as though that's the exception in Star Trek.
Dukat, for all his evil, didn't seem like a deadbeat dad. He obviously loved Ziyal (and his other children) very much. That was probably his only redeeming quality.
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Old September 13 2009, 07:09 PM   #6
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

Sisko also seemed like a very devoted parent, as did his own dad.
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Old September 13 2009, 10:12 PM   #7
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There was the occasional deadbeat dad--Gul Dukat or Enabran Tain--but I feel as though that's the exception in Star Trek.
Dukat, for all his evil, didn't seem like a deadbeat dad. He obviously loved Ziyal (and his other children) very much. That was probably his only redeeming quality.
Good point. When Ziyal died, Dukat went from evil to evil and crazy, too. That's probably what marked the beginning of his downfall.
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Old September 13 2009, 10:14 PM   #8
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There was the occasional deadbeat dad--Gul Dukat or Enabran Tain--but I feel as though that's the exception in Star Trek.
Dukat, for all his evil, didn't seem like a deadbeat dad. He obviously loved Ziyal (and his other children) very much. That was probably his only redeeming quality.
I'm sorry to say that, to me, it always seemed like Picard had sort of a deadbeat dad from the way he acted toward him when we saw him on the show.
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Old September 13 2009, 10:23 PM   #9
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

Hikaru and Demura Sulu!
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Old September 14 2009, 01:09 AM   #10
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

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There was the occasional deadbeat dad--Gul Dukat or Enabran Tain--but I feel as though that's the exception in Star Trek.
Dukat, for all his evil, didn't seem like a deadbeat dad. He obviously loved Ziyal (and his other children) very much. That was probably his only redeeming quality.
I'm sorry to say that, to me, it always seemed like Picard had sort of a deadbeat dad from the way he acted toward him when we saw him on the show.
When did we see Picard's father?
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Old September 14 2009, 02:24 AM   #11
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Dukat, for all his evil, didn't seem like a deadbeat dad. He obviously loved Ziyal (and his other children) very much. That was probably his only redeeming quality.
I'm sorry to say that, to me, it always seemed like Picard had sort of a deadbeat dad from the way he acted toward him when we saw him on the show.
When did we see Picard's father?
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Old September 14 2009, 02:56 AM   #12
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I'm sorry to say that, to me, it always seemed like Picard had sort of a deadbeat dad from the way he acted toward him when we saw him on the show.
When did we see Picard's father?
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Aha, thanks -- I'd forgotten all about that scene.

Still, I don't think I'd call him a deadbeat. It seems to be more a case of fundamental differences of opinion between them on a few issues causing a rift.
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Old September 14 2009, 03:30 AM   #13
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There was the occasional deadbeat dad--Gul Dukat or Enabran Tain--but I feel as though that's the exception in Star Trek.
Dukat, for all his evil, didn't seem like a deadbeat dad. He obviously loved Ziyal (and his other children) very much. That was probably his only redeeming quality.
Good point. When Ziyal died, Dukat went from evil to evil and crazy, too. That's probably what marked the beginning of his downfall.
I think he pretty much became a deadbeat dad when he told her to stay on DS9 and be damned in "By Inferno's Light."
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Old September 14 2009, 04:05 AM   #14
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Re: Good to see dads getting a good name for a change...

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I think he pretty much became a deadbeat dad when he told her to stay on DS9 and be damned in "By Inferno's Light."
He was angry with Ziyal in that scene, but that doesn't mean he was a bad father. Quite the opposite, really. If he was, he wouldn't have ever cared what she did.
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Old September 14 2009, 06:40 AM   #15
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Nice to see fathers getting some credit/praise for a change. Normally dads are either the bad guy or just outright dopey.
Just to throw out a couple more genre examples: Batman's father has often been portrayed in a very positive light. There are various incarnations where Thomas Wayne is seen imparting important wisdom on young Bruce before his death.

Superman's fathers, both Jor-El and Pa Kent, are also typically seen as good, strong father figures, too.
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