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Old January 3 2010, 05:17 PM   #811
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From personal experience it's a lot more fun to watch a show in "blind", not knowing how it twists and turns (and not knowing are you going to end up as a fan or a hater). You've already done two "I know it all and I'll put the show in it's place" type of threads, so I think Babylon 5 would be much more interesting to do for you. Or at least more refreshing.

Yeah, people probably have done something similar, but from what I've seen it's just some random guys incapable of capital letters and readable grammar, and they don't exactly go episode by episode.

So I vote for Babylon 5. It also has less seasons than DS9. DS9 might be your favorite Trek, but going through 7 seasons is a lot more tiresome than going through 5 seasons. And going through 7 seasons that you've already seen, after 11 seasons of Trek you've already seen, is a lot more tiresome than going through 5 seasons of newdom and magical I've-never-seen-this-land. Wonder and reclaiming lost childhood innocence shall ensue.

Just my two cents.

Also, there are a lot more people in that Science Fiction&Fantasy forum. Trek forums are a bit too inbred (no offence anyone) for interesting forum posts to keep being written by other people for months and months.
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Old January 3 2010, 05:55 PM   #812
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There are Babylon 5 threads in Sci-Fi/Fantasy all the time, so there is definately enough interest over there. They would hug you and call you one of their own, and sacrifice to you to JMS.

I love DS9 - it is easily my favourite Trek, but the traffic in there is not amazing. Over 10 years it's been off the air now, which is just difficult to comprehend really. Sykonee, however, has an excellent thread going at the moment, reviewing DS9, VOY and B5 all at the same time, in order of airdate. That's been going on for ages now, but the I think the interest there is watching how well the shows developed over the course of their respective series compared with each other. With three shows being reviewed, it covers more bases and more people are interested.

As well as that, Babylon 5 would be fresh bait for you, whereas DS9 isn't really. And for someone that likes a pre-planned arc, you'd love the giant tapestry woven over the seasons. It ain't perfect, but it's a real blast.

Do you watch Lost? You should do that start to finish. And 24. And Babylon 5 and DS9, all at the same time preferably.

Oh yeah, I've never been to a topless bar either, it'd be wasted on me. I don't like midget races really.

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Old January 3 2010, 08:05 PM   #813
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I'll throw out a vote for Firefly, particularly if you've never seen it. Plus it's only one season and a movie so it would be a quick review thread.

I'll likely continue to read on any Star Trek show or Babylon 5 (or BSG). Your reviews and the comments are entertaining.

I watched through seasons 1-4 on Babylon 5 this year and lost momentum to keep up season 5. Didn't like season 4 finale. It would be interesting since you've never seen the show.

As far as the ratings go, since I think you favor DS9 as the best Trek, I'm most interested in seeing a ratings comparison between DS9 and TNG.

You could also do an overall Star Trek movie review thread.


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Old January 3 2010, 09:08 PM   #814
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Do DS9 please. I don't like Babylon 5.
The thing is that I tried watching B5 before and gave up after 4 episodes because I didn't like the style of it, so there is a possibility that I still wont like it when I try it again, so the reviews could end up being like the Voyager thread. Of course, I could end up loving the show, which is exactly what happened when I gave BSG a second shot. I know that if I do review B5 I am probably going to tear apart the first few episodes, so maybe you'd get some enjoyment from that?

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From personal experience it's a lot more fun to watch a show in "blind", not knowing how it twists and turns (and not knowing are you going to end up as a fan or a hater). You've already done two "I know it all and I'll put the show in it's place" type of threads, so I think Babylon 5 would be much more interesting to do for you. Or at least more refreshing.
Going in blind would shake things up for me, but it is also a big worry. A few days ago I was looking through the archives and found a thread started in the TV and Media forum where someone watched The Wire for the first time and they were giving their impressions of the show. The problem was that some people started posting spoilers about what happened in later seasons, and when the OP complained the rest of the thread took places in spoiler tags. The OP seemed to be so off-put by the fact that he couldn't read his own thread that he stopped posting. Something like that could easily happen in a B5 thread since the show is so heavily arc based, and even if the long-time posters behave themselves I still run the risk of a noob showing up and inconsiderately dropping a major spoiler.

The problem is that I can't see myself giving B5 a fair chance without the structure of a review thread. As I said, I tried watching it two year ago and gave up because I felt little incentive to continue, but if I was reviewing it in a thread like this I would feel compelled to continue, even if I thought it sucked. If I had been watching Voyager without reviewing it I would have given up on it some time in mid season 3, it was only the structure I had forced myself into, and expectations of others, which kept me going until the end.

Yeah, people probably have done something similar, but from what I've seen it's just some random guys incapable of capital letters and readable grammar, and they don't exactly go episode by episode.
Well at least I can capitalise letters correctly 95% of the time, but I still have trouble with some of my punctuation, particularly when deciding where to place commas. But I do make nice graphs, and that always helps to make you look like you're some form of authority.

Also, there are a lot more people in that Science Fiction&Fantasy forum. Trek forums are a bit too inbred (no offence anyone) for interesting forum posts to keep being written by other people for months and months.
Yeah, Sci-Fi/Fantasy is the big-time, but if I fail there I wont get another chance to make it big. I'll be stuck in the little-league Trek forums til the end of my days.

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I love DS9 - it is easily my favourite Trek, but the traffic in there is not amazing. Over 10 years it's been off the air now, which is just difficult to comprehend really. Skyronee, however, has an excellent thread going at the moment, reviewing DS9, VOY and B5 all at the same time, in order of airdate. That's been going on for ages now, but the I think the interest there is watching how well the shows developed over the course of their respective series compared with each other. With three shows being reviewed, it covers more bases and more people are interested.
Sykonee's thread is one of the reasons why I feel compelled to give B5 another go, because I only read the DS9 and Voyager parts while skipping the B5 sections, and I want to know exactly what it is that B5 is doing which is causing it to trounce both Treks almost every week.

Do you watch Lost? You should do that start to finish. And 24. And Babylon 5 and DS9, all at the same time preferably.
Okay, just transfer €25,000 into my PayPal account and I'll give up college in order to do all that.

I'm planning to rewatch all of Lost next year once I've got all the DVDs, that way I'll be able to watch it from the beginning understanding all the mysteries (hopefully). So if I ever get around to that I might just turn it into a review thread.

Oh yeah, I've never been to a topless bar either, it'd be wasted on me. I don't like midget races really.
I love midget races, but I'm still too scared to go into topless bars just in case there really is topless women in there. It would make me all sweaty and nervous.

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I'll throw out a vote for Firefly, particularly if you've never seen it. Plus it's only one season and a movie so it would be a quick review thread.
I watched all of Firefly over two nights while suffering insomnia due to a bad breakup. It had the potential to be a good show, but as it is it is just 13 episodes (and a movie) of something that never gets the chance to go anywhere. Anyway, I can't review Firefly, it would be too short and I demand that all my review threads make it to tens of thousands of views.

As far as the ratings go, since I think you favor DS9 as the best Trek, I'm most interested in seeing a ratings comparison between DS9 and TNG.
I'd still go back and review both of those shows, I'd just take a 6 months detour. I'd still say that DS9 would beat out all the Treks if only because I love the characters most and therefore can usually find something to like even in the most boring episode. However, if Enterprise has a strong fourth season there is a possibility that TNG will struggle to maintain second place, and if I do TOS it'll be a crap-shoot to find out where that show is going to land.

You could also do an overall Star Trek movie review thread.
I'd do those as additional (albeit longer) reviews in the series review threads, so if I ever get around to reviewing TNG I'll finish it off like I did the Voyager thread and throw in the four movies as bonus material. The same for the TOS movies (and I already did my Trek XI review in the Voyager thread).
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Old January 3 2010, 11:51 PM   #815
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The thing is that I tried watching B5 before and gave up after 4 episodes because I didn't like the style of it, so there is a possibility that I still wont like it when I try it again, so the reviews could end up being like the Voyager thread. Of course, I could end up loving the show, which is exactly what happened when I gave BSG a second shot. I know that if I do review B5 I am probably going to tear apart the first few episodes, so maybe you'd get some enjoyment from that?
Definately!

Season 1 was a bit hard for me to get into, with some seemingly standard sci-fi fare to wade through. Gradually though, bits and pieces of the arc become apparent, and by the middle of the season there had been a couple of big incidents to get things rolling...

Going in blind would shake things up for me, but it is also a big worry. A few days ago I was looking through the archives and found a thread started in the TV and Media forum where someone watched The Wire for the first time and they were giving their impressions of the show. The problem was that some people started posting spoilers about what happened in later seasons, and when the OP complained the rest of the thread took places in spoiler tags. The OP seemed to be so off-put by the fact that he couldn't read his own thread that he stopped posting. Something like that could easily happen in a B5 thread since the show is so heavily arc based, and even if the long-time posters behave themselves I still run the risk of a noob showing up and inconsiderately dropping a major spoiler.
I wouldn't worry too much. Jan and Neroon (one of the Sci-Fi/Fantasy mods) adore the show and will fend off spoiler hounds. I remember reading the Wire thread that lost the plot a while ago, and wondered if it's because threads for that show are a bit rare ,and the few fans on TrekBBS all piled into the discussion?

Yeah, Sci-Fi/Fantasy is the big-time, but if I fail there I wont get another chance to make it big. I'll be stuck in the little-league Trek forums til the end of my days.


Sykonee's thread is one of the reasons why I feel compelled to give B5 another go, because I only read the DS9 and Voyager parts while skipping the B5 sections, and I want to know exactly what it is that B5 is doing which is causing it to trounce both Treks almost every week.
Hee. I spose the difference with B5 is that it doesn't flounder for a season or two finding its footing. DS9 was excellent by season 5, whereas B5 was getting its groove on in season 2. And VOY had potential but just kept misfiring.

Okay, just transfer €25,000 into my PayPal account and I'll give up college in order to do all that.
Feh. Who needs college?

I'd still go back and review both of those shows, I'd just take a 6 months detour. I'd still say that DS9 would beat out all the Treks if only because I love the characters most and therefore can usually find something to like even in the most boring episode. However, if Enterprise has a strong fourth season there is a possibility that TNG will struggle to maintain second place, and if I do TOS it'll be a crap-shoot to find out where that show is going to land.

You could also do an overall Star Trek movie review thread.
I'd do those as additional (albeit longer) reviews in the series review threads, so if I ever get around to reviewing TNG I'll finish it off like I did the Voyager thread and throw in the four movies as bonus material. The same for the TOS movies (and I already did my Trek XI review in the Voyager thread).
Just do a website already!

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Old January 4 2010, 12:24 AM   #816
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I'm torn between asking you to do DS9 and suggesting you don't because we kinda have a good idea what you'll think
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Old January 4 2010, 04:04 AM   #817
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I'm torn between asking you to do DS9 and suggesting you don't because we kinda have a good idea what you'll think
I'd still review DS9, just 6 months later than I had originally planned, and watching B5 might make my rewatch of DS9 more interesting because it would give me ammunition to fire at that show ("B5 five's episode So and So was much better than this...").

I'm beginning to lean towards going for B5, but everyone that commented in the Voyager thread wants me to do DS9 instead, so I'm unsure if I should.

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Fine, here's my magnificent new review site.

If you're in work or have even a modicum of decency please don't click on the link of what I found on the internet. Seriously, just don't do it.
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Old January 4 2010, 04:18 AM   #818
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I never knew you reviewed XI before I clicked on that. Anyway, I'd suggest reviewing TNG. No, really.

Don't do Doctor Who though. You wouldn't like it.
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Old January 4 2010, 04:20 AM   #819
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Yeah, the posters down there would accuse me of stealing your format.
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Old January 4 2010, 04:58 AM   #820
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Sykonee's thread is one of the reasons why I feel compelled to give B5 another go, because I only read the DS9 and Voyager parts while skipping the B5 sections, and I want to know exactly what it is that B5 is doing which is causing it to trounce both Treks almost every week.
Heh, I read the thread the same way. But I've been meaning to finally watch B5 anyway for some time.

I'd suggest you to watch B5 and rewatch DS9 at the same time, but that's what I intend to do, so I'm shooting myself in the foot here. I wanted to start it about month or two ago, but then I decided to give ENT another chance, and I'm halfway through - just finishing season 2.

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Going in blind would shake things up for me, but it is also a big worry. A few days ago I was looking through the archives and found a thread started in the TV and Media forum where someone watched The Wire for the first time and they were giving their impressions of the show. The problem was that some people started posting spoilers about what happened in later seasons, and when the OP complained the rest of the thread took places in spoiler tags. The OP seemed to be so off-put by the fact that he couldn't read his own thread that he stopped posting. Something like that could easily happen in a B5 thread since the show is so heavily arc based, and even if the long-time posters behave themselves I still run the risk of a noob showing up and inconsiderately dropping a major spoiler.
Oh gosh, maybe that B5 first watch/DS9 rewatch thread is not such a good idea after all. I don't to read a bunch of spoilers, which would probably happen. Although, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad in the small but warm circle of Niners (+ Anwar) in the DS9 subforum.

There are more positive examples, too. There's a thread in the TV & Media section by someone who has been watching Oz for the first time and posting her impressions - and people have been careful not to post real spoilers without hiding them, at worst we make broad hints about things she asks about just to whet her appetite. Granted, Oz has fewer episodes anyway, so there's less time for someone less careful to come in and start spoiling things left and right.



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I've had that issue with respect to all of the series, including ENT. Did we ever see an alien female captain? I think all the female aliens were crew members or spouses.
There were TOS The Enterprise Incident and TNG The Chase, or do you only mean Starfleet Captains? There was a female Vulcan admiral in DS9 Rules of Engagement, if that counts - guess she was probably a captain once.
Commander Toreth in The Face of the Enemy; Donatra and Sela were also commanders - Romulan rank equivalent of a Starfleet captain. It seems that Romulans have most female high ranking officers; Gul Ocett seems more of an exception among Cardassians.

(Since I'm far behind TheGodBen in watching Enterprise, I read the reviews in this thread after having watched a specific episode, no matter when it was posted.)
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Old January 4 2010, 06:38 AM   #821
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Enough with the chitchat already, more reviewing!
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Well, I'll add one more thought of chit-chat to this:

1. I wouldn't worry too much about spoilers if you do a B5 review thread in the Sci-Fi forum. So long as you make it clear that you don't want to be spoiled, the Fiver commentators are quite respectful and discreet. They have, after all, had plenty of practice over the years.

2. I say do B5 because, well, it's fresh territory. Plus, you'll finally get to fully read my thread!
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Old January 4 2010, 03:55 PM   #823
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I'd suggest you to watch B5 and rewatch DS9 at the same time, but that's what I intend to do, so I'm shooting myself in the foot here.
It would be an interesting way to watch them, but I have time management issues. When I went back to uni in September I was watching 1 episode of Enterprise and 1 episode of The Wire most days, and I had trouble fitting much else in. When I finished The Wire I was relieved to get that hour back, because it was coming up to the end of the semester and I really needed it. And while I'm free for the next few weeks I plan to marathon The Shield in order to get that out of the way before I go back to pretending that I'm working.

Besides, I don't want to steal any thunder from Sykonee. Lets be honest here, if I was to do a similar thread to Sykonee's people would abandon his in order to take part in my much superior thread, and that would just be rude.

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Enough with the chitchat already, more reviewing!
No. I'm finishing off a project today and if I have time I'll watch the next episode tonight, if not then I'll do it tomorrow night. The next review will either be tomorrow or on Wednesday, so everyone can chit-chat away until then.

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2. I say do B5 because, well, it's fresh territory. Plus, you'll finally get to fully read my thread!
By the time that I finish B5 you'd probably have finished it, although your laziness of late gives me some hope.
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By the time that I finish B5 you'd probably have finished it, although your laziness of late gives me some hope.
B'ah. I attribute that to all the music stuff I've been doing this past week but now that my music blog is finally set-up...

Oh dear, now I'm whoring that here! Um...er...

Yeah, the Augments Arc. Spiner was great, wasn't he?
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Spiner was neat. I was a bit worried about him though, he wasn't as pale as he normally is.


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I'm having a hard time trying to collect my feelings on this episode and I don't know where to start. I suppose I could say that when people say that Enterprise's 4th season was filled with fan-wank, they're talking about episodes like this. It's okay, but there are moments where it feels overdone. The "Remember" scene involving Archer certainly felt a bit inbred for the franchise, and I don't know why I'm saying that when last week I was commending an episode for mentioning the Briar patch. Maybe my strong dislike for TAS is influencing my impressions because establishing parts of that series on one of the live action shows helps the case of those who argue for TAS to be included in the official continuity.

There's some atrocious green-screening in this episode. I know the budget was cut so I can't expect the same level of special effects which came before, but I still expect a standard above this. Sorry, but I'm a real snob.

The things that the episode does right is collecting various elements already established in the show to build a mythology/political conspiracy story, bringing back elements such as Forrest, Soval, T'Pol's mother, Koss... What the episode does poorly is in introducing new elements to support the plot. The Syrrannites make sense, but why aren't these guys tied in with the unnamed minority from season 2's Stigma? Who is V'Las and why have we never heard of him before? United Earth has a flag?!

Not my best review, but this was a hard episode to do since it is all setup, so cut me some slack. If I screw up on Kir'Shara you can lay into me then.

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