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Old September 7 2009, 01:27 PM   #46
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Re: Trek romances - the good, the bad, and the boring?

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I have long had an aversion to fanfiction in general, not just Trek, due to the amount of bad fanfiction, Porn Without Plot, random pairings and general nonsense.
Personally, I find the occasional gem pretty much worth the effort skimming through bad or mediocre fic, after some time you get better at sensing which stories you might like. And luckily stories are always categorised by pairing, so it's easy to ignore pairings that don't appeal to you.

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But since I'm stilla relative novice who has only just scrapped the surface of the fanfic world, could someone more versed in it tell me what are, from what they know, the most popular fanfic pairings for every Trek series (apart from Kirk/Spock slash, everyone knows about that)?
In TNG, I think Picard/Crusher and Riker/Troi are the most popular pairings, and in VOY I always thought Janeway/Chakoty to be popular, but don't take my word for it.
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Old September 7 2009, 07:22 PM   #47
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Re: Trek romances - the good, the bad, and the boring?

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The writers really dropped the ball with Garak/Bashir - they had the opportunity to portray a bisexual character who would not have been defined by his sexuality, in a way that would not have seemed forced and contrived. I know they said they never intended for Garak to be bisexual or gay, but the actor played him as bisexual and interested in Bashir - what was the problem with picking up on that?
I agree with this. They had good chemistry and there was potential for interesting plot lines.
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Old September 7 2009, 08:42 PM   #48
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Romance isn't really Star Trek's strong suit, but there have been a few I liked. ... Although I guess it comes under the "girl of the week" category, I'd like to put in a good word for the relationship between Picard and Lt. Cmdr Daren in TNG 'Lessons'.
Good pair! Also, Odo and Kira. And Tripp and T'Pol.
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Old September 7 2009, 10:16 PM   #49
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Spock and Uhura in Trek XI are literally the first Trek couple that I think have a shot at not being boring/annoying/written at an obnoxiously juvenile level.
Other than Sisko and Yates, I (sadly) agree.

My favorite Trek relationship was probably Bashir and Sarina Douglas, but that's far from immune from your criticism--it's just that he was supposed to be operating at an obnoxiously juvenile level. However, this is first time they actually followed through on the consequences of Bashir (or anyone) perpetually acting like an idiot man-child when it came to girls.

Odo and Kira gets an honorable mention, as it was done really well exactly twice, in "Chimera" and in "What You Leave Behind," but most of the rest of it was tweener-level interpersonal communication.

I did like the relationship in "The Outcast," but although Riker's behavior (fight the power, etc.) is pretty noble and believable, the concomitant declarations of love come off as childish and weird.

Riker's gotta quit putting his junk into the back of Data's head, too. That would be so off-putting in real life.
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Old September 8 2009, 04:05 AM   #50
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Riker's gotta quit putting his junk into the back of Data's head, too. That would be so off-putting in real life.

WHAT?

I'm totally confused -- I'm clearly missing something here ...
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Old September 8 2009, 05:27 AM   #51
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I think the greatest unrealized relationship was Spock/Uhura (TOS). They really had great chemistry in the scenes they did have.
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Old September 8 2009, 05:28 AM   #52
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Riker's gotta quit putting his junk into the back of Data's head, too. That would be so off-putting in real life.

WHAT?

I'm totally confused -- I'm clearly missing something here ...
When he would stand right behind him all the time while Data was at the helm. Pretty hilarious.
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Old September 8 2009, 12:26 PM   #53
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Didn't Spiner actually complain about that once? Man has remarkable willpower not to...
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Old September 8 2009, 01:19 PM   #54
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I'll never understand the criticisms of the relationship between Keiko and O'Brien, I thought it was really lovely and one of the most honest ones on Trek. Yes, she often teased him; find me a married couple who don't playfully tease each other. I certainly don't think she treated him with disrespect.

As pointed out elsewhere, Keiko sacrificed A LOT for O'Brien, and from virtually the first episode of DS9 it was apparent she had probably sacrificed too much. As a character who found herself without much direction in life, the ability to pursue her interests or an occupation, Keiko was pretty unique in the Trek universe in those early episodes of DS9. She was depressed and frustrated at times - who can blame her really.

Meanwhile, in later years while Keiko was at home raising children or off trying to keep her career afloat (she was a scientist prior to coming to DS9 afterall), O'Brien was more often than not behaving like a fratboy. I think Keiko doesn't get the credit she deserves for putting up with behaviour most women would nip in the bud before the wedding. For the most part she put up with an awful lot of shenanigans from a married man of two toddlers, yet she gets labelled an intolerable shrew?
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Old September 8 2009, 01:47 PM   #55
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Riker's gotta quit putting his junk into the back of Data's head, too. That would be so off-putting in real life.

WHAT?

I'm totally confused -- I'm clearly missing something here ...
When he would stand right behind him all the time while Data was at the helm. Pretty hilarious.
It's been a while since I watched TNG. I'll have to dig out a few episodes and look for that. Funny ...
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Old September 8 2009, 05:41 PM   #56
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I think the greatest unrealized relationship was Spock/Uhura (TOS). They really had great chemistry in the scenes they did have.
I totally agree.

They could have had the Spock/Uhura dynamic in addition to the Kirk/Spock and Spock/McCoy dynamic.
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Old September 8 2009, 06:22 PM   #57
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Two other things: I also think that Trek should have had a few homosexual relationships, but dealt with in a mature way, not as a silly Mirror Universe titillation.

And, I love the fact that Trek likes to feature unexpected pairings and interspecies relationships, and hybrid children - even if it doesn't make sense scientifically - since it is really a metaphor for interracial/crosscultural relationships, overcoming differences etc.
Devileyes is right.

Gays, when depicted at all, are present in the story because they are to be 'the gay charactor.'

Advertising prior to the episode Rejoined leaned heavy on the 'gay kiss' between Terry Farrell and a guess star Susanna Thompson. TNG episode Outcast was to be the much anticipated gay story fans had asked for, it wasn't.

Jadzia Dax would have been the perfect long term gay charactor. She was more open than most of the people on the various series. The slow to build romance she had with Worf could of been written as same-sex. If Tasha Yar had lived, she'd of been one possible choice. Or a brand new charactor could of been created, but not a 'gay' charactor.


James Kirk; "Crewman, what are you doing?"

Guest star: "Just being gay, sir"

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I could not have said it better myself. Perhaps one day a realistic gay Trek character will become a reality. Mostly the "romances" were more like sexual interludes on Trek. Making out has replaced making love on television and in the movies. Sadly it is much the same in real life.
Janeway/Chakotay and Keiko/O'Brien are the exceptions, IMO.
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Old September 9 2009, 01:06 AM   #58
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Re: Trek romances - the good, the bad, and the boring?

Kirk/Spock.
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Old September 9 2009, 02:05 AM   #59
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Gay people is where Trek failed. It's a damn shame.
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Old September 9 2009, 03:46 PM   #60
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Gay people is where Trek failed. It's a damn shame.
Whaddya mean? There are no gay people in Star... Oh, wait...
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