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Old September 9 2009, 11:39 PM   #1
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Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

10 years since the show finished, 14 years since they picked the little girl over the gerbil and I'm still pissed... but if the refuse ejection had targeted the other mook on the chopping block instead of the adorable little blonde tyke, would our dissatisfaction have even registered or kept steam for any duration?
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Old September 9 2009, 11:50 PM   #2
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

Probably. Because every character has their own set of vocal fans.

We probably would have had some people accusing Voyager of being racist as well, since Wang is Asian. Which would be complete garbage of course, but some people would say it.
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Old September 10 2009, 12:21 AM   #3
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

I'm having a difficult time thinking of the appearance of any other Asians on Voyager?

there must be a shortage of Asian actors (cough) since I did hear that only two actors were auditioned for the part of harry kim in the beginning, so it's not like we can damn the TPTB form not being able to squeese blood from a stone?

O. Sulu's guest spot didn't count.

I always liked noticing Nurse Alyssa Ogawa in the background in TNG, she totally fleshed out chickbay (Freudian typo too funny to correct.) and Doctor Crusher, so I wonder why the Voyager production team didn't think about picking her up when they were stealing the stuff from the props and costume department as TNG was locking up?
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Old September 10 2009, 12:32 AM   #4
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

There was Keiko on DS9, but of course she was a supporting cast member.

Wang was the first major Asian actor in a Star Trek series (other than Sulu of course). If it came out that there was a choice between keeping Kes (cute white girl) and Kim an asian male...I think that might have stirred something up if Kim was picked to leave.

Of course a lot of that would probably have come from people who never actually watched the show. Because most of us that are fans seem to pretty much agree that Kim was the weakest link.
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Old September 10 2009, 02:19 AM   #5
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

Rosiland was a hold over from TNG. (I just giggled,, maybe cackled incessantly because Worf delivered her first baby Molly.) faced with such a backlash, they would have saved more face in casting the "sexy" Borgette Asian which would have stirred further arguments about the Conservation of Token minority characters, than reversing over Wang's tossing.

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Old September 10 2009, 04:04 AM   #6
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

Daniel Day Kim as Gotana-Retz in Blink of an Eye. He made a memorable character in a memorable episode.
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Old September 10 2009, 04:37 AM   #7
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

Yes he was, but that guy could easily qualify as being one of the hardest working men in science fiction... He's been in EVERYTHING.

Oh my. I tried to cheat and see if there was a shortcut to figuring out if there were many more asian actors trappedinthe ranks of Voyager actors and guess what? This thread is 5th from the top of 45 thousand search results.
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Old September 10 2009, 07:14 AM   #8
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

http://memory-alpha.org/en/index.php...VOY_performers

Go through it and try to pick out any Asian sounding names. On the first couple of pages, i found:

Julie Jiang
Tang Nguyen

Betty Matsushita
Taylor Chong
Lin Chong

harry Kim's stunt double (doesn't really count, does it?): Al Goto
another stunt man: Joey Sakata

There maybe more. I didn't go through it all.
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Old September 10 2009, 07:46 AM   #9
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

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10 years since the show finished, 14 years since they picked the little girl over the gerbil and I'm still pissed... but if the refuse ejection had targeted the other mook on the chopping block instead of the adorable little blonde tyke, would our dissatisfaction have even registered or kept steam for any duration?
Berman, Braga, and People Magazine would've had a problem.

I don't feel like repeating the story again... someone else want to?
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Old September 10 2009, 07:49 AM   #10
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

If they did get rid of him, it's not like the show would change all that much, aside from Tom having someone around who's easy to mock and make him look good by comparison.
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Old September 10 2009, 06:32 PM   #11
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I'm a backup member of the Kim-Tones.
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Old September 10 2009, 06:36 PM   #12
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

I would have been annoyed. I was also annoyed that they got rid of Kes. What would have been ideal is if the writing had been good enough that they didn't have to replace someone in the first place.

Seven was an interesting character... why the hell didn't they replace Neelix?
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Old September 10 2009, 07:16 PM   #13
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

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Old September 10 2009, 07:30 PM   #14
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Boooooooo! Booooooo! Get off the stage!
You'll have to pry that clarinet out of my cold dead hands!

We Kim-Tones are on a sacred quest to spread boring elevator music across the Delta Quadrant.
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Old September 10 2009, 08:06 PM   #15
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Re: Would there have ever been an outroar if they got rid of Kim?

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Probably. Because every character has their own set of vocal fans.

We probably would have had some people accusing Voyager of being racist as well, since Wang is Asian. Which would be complete garbage of course, but some people would say it.
I don't think it is garbage at all.

Mulgrew, Picardo, McNiell, Philips, Lien & Ryan are all White actors on the show. They out number the miniorities 5 to 1. Wang is the first Asian actor to be in the main cast, Takei doesn't even count because anyone outside of Shatner, Kelley & Nimoy were all supporting cast on TOS until the films.(It's why Takei's bitching about Shatner stealing all their screne time has no merit) Losing Wang would have been a step back and hypocritical towards Treks theme of diversity, Lien would not.
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