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Old August 29 2009, 11:14 PM   #76
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Re: Moments that really made you cringe or disliked

In summary, the first 10-minutes up to the Star Trek Logo reveal were quite engaging. The rest of the movie had too much nonsense and was a cringe fest.
I agree with this statement. The moment for me when i realized that Star Trek story was a mess was when Spock stranded Kirk on a dangerous planet, the 2 ice monster. One of them was i lizard type with no fur. It should freezee in minutes in this cold environment. The icing on the cake was Spock telling Kirk why Nero was doing this. I was in total disbelief and shock. Stupidest scene in Star Trek movie franchise history. Also i hated new transwarp transporter tech.
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Old August 30 2009, 12:43 AM   #77
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3) Uhura and Spock (!)
You know this kind of threw me for a loop when I first heard about it. But if you go back and watch some of the early first season episodes like The Man Trap and Charlie X, you can see the writers toying with this idea.
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Old August 30 2009, 12:51 AM   #78
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3) Uhura and Spock (!)
You know this kind of threw me for a loop when I first heard about it. But if you go back and watch some of the early first season episodes like The Man Trap and Charlie X, you can see the writers toying with this idea.

I guess, but those scenes really amount to a few glances and Spock *smiling* awkwardly (while Uhura sings in the rec room in Charlie X), and that is about it. The TOS writers wisely dropped any such hints of a relationship between these two thereafter.
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Old August 30 2009, 12:56 AM   #79
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3) Uhura and Spock (!)
You know this kind of threw me for a loop when I first heard about it. But if you go back and watch some of the early first season episodes like The Man Trap and Charlie X, you can see the writers toying with this idea.

I guess, but those scenes really amount to a few glances and Spock *smiling* awkwardly (while Uhura sings in the rec room in Charlie X), and that is about it. The TOS writers wisely dropped any such hints of a relationship between these two thereafter.
It's interesting in a "What If" kind of way. Like the rest of the film. I'll sit back and see where it goes.

And it actually plays fairly well with The Man Trap, where a Lieutenant dresses down a Commander on the bridge while the latter is in command.

Of all the problems I have with this film (which I love), this isn't one of them.
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Old August 30 2009, 05:56 AM   #80
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Yeah he's clearly being a bit of a smartass and there's a bit of immaturity there, but it didn't come across in an arrogant or jerky way to me...He was just having a little FUN, that's all. The movie already established that that's the kind of guy he was.
Absolutely. And remember, he feels the test is bogus to begin with. He says "the test is a cheat." So he clearly has a very low opinion of the test, and relishes getting the best of it in an unorthodox way.

Having spent many years as a college instructor, I've learned that if students don't respect the assignment/test, they won't take it seriously. (and I've done the same as a student). Sure, a military academy is more structured than a University, but human nature is still to poke holes in something you can't take seriously...as many of the posters are in this very thread.
I know that's how it seems to a lot of people - I indicated in my very first post that I realize a lot of people (including many right here on the BBS) just love that scene. All I can say is, it didn't strike me that way at all. He didn't seem a "little" immature - it was like a high school stunt. It was a lot immature. It was...Richie Cunningham/Ralph Malph/Potsie Weber immature. Heck, it was almost Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes) immature, and although I adore Calvin, he's only supposed to be in first grade.

It didn't ruin the movie for me, nor did it ruin Pine's characterization of Kirk, but it left a bad taste in my mouth that took a little while to go away, and as somebody (M'Sharak, I think) noted earlier, it was needlessly over the top. They could have done almost exactly the same thing, made the same point, without making him look like a twerp. Which is how he looked to me, though I realize he didn't look that way to everybody.
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Old August 30 2009, 06:15 AM   #81
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Only one thing for me and that was Nero saying "Hi Christopher, I'm Nero."
I actually liked it because buy saying it that way he came across as condescending and disrespectful to pike.

My cringe worthy moment was the Vulcan bullies calling Spock's mom a whore.

To me that was unnecessary and way too over the top.
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Old August 30 2009, 06:45 AM   #82
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Having spent many years as a college instructor, I've learned that if students don't respect the assignment/test, they won't take it seriously.
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I know that's how it seems to a lot of people - I indicated in my very first post that I realize a lot of people (including many right here on the BBS) just love that scene. All I can say is, it didn't strike me that way at all. He didn't seem a "little" immature - it was like a high school stunt. It was a lot immature.
Fair enough. If that's how it struck you, that's how it struck you, no arguing with that. I understand why you would think that, that's obviously one way to interpret that. But keep in mind, mature people can do immature things if they want to make a point, and that doesn't make them immature people, even if they act silly to point out how silly something is.

Again, an example from my life: as a graduate student in English, I was taking a teaching composition class. We got what I considered an absolutely absurd assignment: we were to draw a picture and use it to explain/analyze the writing process. Not a diagram, but a picture, like a tree or a coffee maker. We had a rather hippie teacher. Anyway, at first the assignment enraged me, I felt it beneath me—I was a graduate student with an A record, a serious researcher! But then the punk rocker came out of me (I was also a performing musician). So for my image, I drew a rather pornographic image, then spent the essay analyzing it academically, sure to point out at the end that I felt my image was no more absurd than the assignment as a whole. Perhaps not my most mature moment, but I still graduated with an A average and went on to teach college English...careful not to give silly assignments.

Point being, I can definitely see a mature and ready for command Kirk being at first angered by the test, so he takes it again and is frustrated by the test...and then decides to "take the piss" as the English say when he signs up for it a third time. Remember, he listened to the Beastie Boys as a kid, maybe there's just a little punk rocker in him too!
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Old August 30 2009, 07:28 AM   #83
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The only thing I cringed at was Nero explaining what happened to his family...and Spock explaining how he screwed up trying to save Romulus and failed. I don't blame the actors for that, though. In fact, I really liked the sorrowful tone in Nimoy's voice...it was very effective.

It's just that the storytelling for Nero's history/justification for his hatred of Spock was so dumb and forced. It was a huge letdown because up until both, I was completely into the movie, thoroughly enjoying it and thinking it will be perfect if they just give us a good backstory for the villain. And then they didn't and it wasn't.
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Old August 30 2009, 07:37 AM   #84
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1. That they would send a senior citizen by himself to carry out such a mission.

2. That it only takes a drop of Red-Matter to collapse the star and yet he has enough to fill a large beach-ball.

3. Kirk's meteoric Cadet-to-Captain rise.

4. Gaila, the green skinned SoCal bimbo.

5. I absolutely refuse to believe that Delta Vega is a Vulcan moon. What we saw on screen when Vulcan is destroyed is through Spock's mind's eye. Besides. Wouldn't have Delta Vega been sucked into the black hole?

6. Simon Pegg is woefully miscast as Montgomery Scott.

7. The way Kirk acts when beating the Kobayashi Maru.
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Old August 30 2009, 06:29 PM   #85
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1. That they would send a senior citizen by himself to carry out such a mission.

2. That it only takes a drop of Red-Matter to collapse the star and yet he has enough to fill a large beach-ball.

3. Kirk's meteoric Cadet-to-Captain rise.

4. Gaila, the green skinned SoCal bimbo.

5. I absolutely refuse to believe that Delta Vega is a Vulcan moon. What we saw on screen when Vulcan is destroyed is through Spock's mind's eye. Besides. Wouldn't have Delta Vega been sucked into the black hole?

6. Simon Pegg is woefully miscast as Montgomery Scott.

7. The way Kirk acts when beating the Kobayashi Maru.
Delta Vega is not a Vulcan moon! It is another planet that has an orbit that at times places it in close proximity to Vulcan.
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Old August 31 2009, 12:50 AM   #86
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1. That they would send a senior citizen by himself to carry out such a mission.

2. That it only takes a drop of Red-Matter to collapse the star and yet he has enough to fill a large beach-ball.

3. Kirk's meteoric Cadet-to-Captain rise.

4. Gaila, the green skinned SoCal bimbo.

5. I absolutely refuse to believe that Delta Vega is a Vulcan moon. What we saw on screen when Vulcan is destroyed is through Spock's mind's eye. Besides. Wouldn't have Delta Vega been sucked into the black hole?

6. Simon Pegg is woefully miscast as Montgomery Scott.

7. The way Kirk acts when beating the Kobayashi Maru.
Delta Vega is not a Vulcan moon! It is another planet that has an orbit that at times places it in close proximity to Vulcan.
Three points:

1. Our moon is in a pretty close orbit and I've never seen it that large in the sky.

2. If Delta Vega was that close to Vulcan when it imploded shouldn't there have been some noticable effects on Delta Vega?

3. The very notion of Delta Vega being in the Vulcan system is like a middle finger to Where No Man Has Gone Before.
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Lol. Looks like the haters have all come back...


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The engine room of the Enterprise sucked in May. It still sucks now. I cringe whenever I think of or see pics of that oversized beer brewery and Scotty's stupid trip through the water pipes.
If there had never been a release of scenes being filmed in a brewery, would anyone be complaining about how it looks 'like a brewery'? Just a thought I keep having...
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Three points:

1. Our moon is in a pretty close orbit and I've never seen it that large in the sky.
Eh. So it was enlarged a bit for cinematic effect. Trek does that kind of thing all the time.

2. If Delta Vega was that close to Vulcan when it imploded shouldn't there have been some noticable effects on Delta Vega?
Well it was ALREADY an ice planet. It's not like there was a delicate ecosystem to worry about destroying.

And again, it probably wasn't as close to Vulcan as people are thinking anyway.
3. The very notion of Delta Vega being in the Vulcan system is like a middle finger to Where No Man Has Gone Before.
... or the name was just a loving homage and nothing more (since most moviegoers wouldn't have known or cared in the first place). I really doubt we were meant to believe that was the SAME Delta Vega as in that episode.

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Old August 31 2009, 04:17 AM   #89
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If there had never been a release of scenes being filmed in a brewery, would anyone be complaining about how it looks 'like a brewery'? Just a thought I keep having...
Ha, I know. Suddenly everybody's a "brewery expert."

I mean I consider myself to be a pretty big Trek fan, but I've never cared THAT much what freakin Engineering looked like. lol

The one in this movie looked like a big, complex "engine room"-type space to me. And that was good enough.
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Everything except the end credits and the opening.
Delayed QFT!!!
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