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View Poll Results: What will happen first...
Contact with sentient Life 17 58.62%
Earth united under one government 12 41.38%
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Old September 4 2009, 04:50 PM   #1
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contact with sentient Aliens from space or United Earth
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Old September 4 2009, 05:50 PM   #2
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I don't think the world will ever be unified under one government, or at least, not for another 500+ years...so..I am going with contact with sentient outerspace aliens happening first...

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Old September 4 2009, 06:07 PM   #3
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Secret third answer: Destroy ourselves.
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Old September 4 2009, 06:12 PM   #4
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United earth government, I think aliens will be a while yet.
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Old September 4 2009, 06:13 PM   #5
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No, What's on second. Who's on first.

(Just passing a joke forward from another thread...)
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Old September 4 2009, 06:27 PM   #6
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United earth government, I think aliens will be a while yet.
I just dont see it. I have traveled all over this world, and I can tell you, this would is never going to be united, culturally. That is why i think we will make contact with aliens first.

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Old September 4 2009, 06:42 PM   #7
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Secret third answer: Destroy ourselves.
I'm leaning more towards this option, as well.
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Old September 4 2009, 07:04 PM   #8
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Secret third answer: Destroy ourselves.
I'm leaning more towards this option, as well.
I left that off, purposely, because we would all pick that. But if we DONT blow ourselves up, I think either one could happen..in fact (cue the twilite zone music) it may have already!!!

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Old September 5 2009, 12:18 AM   #9
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I kind of think that contact with a sentient alien species is one of the only things that could spur the human species into becoming unified.
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Old September 5 2009, 12:30 AM   #10
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I kind of think that contact with a sentient alien species is one of the only things that could spur the human species into becoming unified.
And there we have it. The final answer.
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Old September 5 2009, 12:59 AM   #11
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I kind of think that contact with a sentient alien species is one of the only things that could spur the human species into becoming unified.
Well, looking at history, when the peoples of a given region are contacted from outside, it does tend to create in them a sense of a common identity in contrast to the outsiders when before they thought of themselves as separate groups (as seen in the Americas, the Indian subcontinent, Africa, etc.). On the other hand, that sense of shared identity doesn't translate to universal peace, and if anything there tends to be a split between factions who have different ideas of how to react to the outsiders (e.g. those who want to cooperate vs. those who want to resist, those who want to assimilate vs. those who cling to tradition, etc.).
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Old September 5 2009, 01:12 AM   #12
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I just dont see it. I have traveled all over this world, and I can tell you, this would is never going to be united, culturally. That is why i think we will make contact with aliens first.

Rob
I think it may happen way sooner than you think. Globalization has ensured that one day very soon the whole world will be operating under the same economic system. That can do a lot to change a countries culture. If that's not enough, it seems that in the not to distant future most of the world will adopt shared values involving the environment. That will also do a lot to change various cultures, including our own. I think there will certainly be a world government within a hundred or so years. As far as alien life, well the universe is vast so I'm not holding out hope for contact anytime soon.
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Old September 5 2009, 01:47 AM   #13
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I think there will have to be a global alliance or federation to allow us to collectively address global problems, establish a global framework of law and security, and so on, but a single, all-encompassing world government is unlikely. We're too diverse a people and too devoted to our cultural independence. It would have to be a system that allowed considerable local autonomy while giving everyone a voice in addressing transnational issues.

And alien contact wouldn't be any kind of magic bullet for achieving that. It has to come from within or it won't stick.

If alien contact does occur, it would almost certainly be by radio or laser signal across many parsecs of distance and many years of time. And these days, perhaps "contact" is the wrong word to use. With the telescopes and techniques we have now, we're within years, possibly months, of detecting habitable planets around other stars. As our methods continue to improve, we'll eventually find the spectroscopic signatures of water, oxygen, and other biomarkers, confirming the existence of life on an extrasolar planet. And if there are planets out there with technological civilizations, we'll be able to detect their city lights, their thermal and chemical effects on their atmosphere, and so on. Eventually we could have space telescopes powerful enough to make maps of planets dozens of parsecs away. So we won't need to rely on direct contact to gain knowledge of the existence of alien life. Contact may be centuries or millennia away. But the discovery of inhabited exoplanets, if they exist at all, is decades away at most.
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Old September 5 2009, 03:26 AM   #14
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The only things that could create a unified Earth government would be an outside faction of some kind that constitutes a significant threat like sentient robots, space colonies that have formed an empire, or space aliens.
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I think there will have to be a global alliance or federation to allow us to collectively address global problems, establish a global framework of law and security, and so on, but a single, all-encompassing world government is unlikely. We're too diverse a people and too devoted to our cultural independence. It would have to be a system that allowed considerable local autonomy while giving everyone a voice in addressing transnational issues.
That sounds a lot like the system of government we have here in the U.S. We have our Federal system, but states have a certain amount of autonomy. That allows them to pass laws which often reflect the views and culture of their constituents. I don't see why a World Government based on such a system would be unworkable. Of course there are still arguments about states rights to this day, but we've managed to hold the Union together since the Civil War.
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