Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker

davidant32 · May 22 2013, 09:01 PM

I just finished watching the Blu-Ray of 3x09 "The Vengeance Factor" and was appalled to realize that Riker flat-out murdered Yuta! I mean, he tried stunning her twice with his phaser, then without any warning of the use of deadly force, vaporized her. All that needed to happen was for anyone NOT of the Lornak Clan to restrain her (read: anyone but Chorgan).

Not only that, but 3 episodes later, Riker chastises Devos for using deadly force on Finn in 3x12 "The High Ground."

What a hypocrite and murderer!

Forbin · May 22 2013, 09:15 PM

I kind of agree. Vaporising her was uncalled for.

jimbotron · May 22 2013, 09:21 PM

This is silly.

When he shot her the second time, it should have put her down, but it didn't. It was probably set to kill by that point. She's apparently impervious to being knocked out.

No one was in the position to restrain her. All she needed to do was lunge at Chorgan to kill him, and was only about four steps away.

Besides, she had it coming.

MacLeod · May 22 2013, 09:22 PM

He did stun her twice, and she continued to try and attack.

cheesepuff316 · May 22 2013, 09:25 PM

She'd already murdered all but one of the other clan and was trying to kill the last one. He already tried to stun her and it didn't work. He tried talking her out of it, and failed so he had no other options to save Chorgan's life. He warned her that he had no choice and needed to stop her - she just ignored him....

davidant32 · May 22 2013, 09:31 PM

jimbotron wrote:

...and was only about four steps away.

Four steps is a pretty good distance for Riker to interject himself between Yuta and Chorgan.

jimbotron wrote:

She's apparently impervious to being knocked out.

...but not necessarily unable to overpower. Riker didn't even try it, or say, "Hey, next step you take, I'm gonna kill you." I'm not arguing that she didn't have it coming, I'm just thinking that in the idealistic society of the Federation, Riker should've exhausted every option to take her alive.

Pavonis · May 22 2013, 09:41 PM

Who is going to charge him with murder, though? Who has jurisdiction?

Ar-Pharazon · May 22 2013, 10:08 PM

I always thought killing her seemed unnecessary.

The first two quick shots did move her back a bit, so Riker could've tried a sustained heavy-stun beam.

And she didn't so much ignore Riker as just couldn't fight the imperative for vengeance. For all we know there was some mind programming involved.

Mr. Laser Beam · May 22 2013, 10:17 PM

Chorgan was grateful enough to Riker for saving his life that I'm sure he used all his influence to get Riker off the hook. And the Sovereign was plenty pissed at Yuta as well, so I doubt Yuta would be missed.

BillJ · May 22 2013, 10:57 PM

What would've happened to Yuta if they had captured her? Stick her on a penal colony until the last of the Lornak clan was dead? Riker did the merciful thing by ending her life.

Zippo and Flask · May 23 2013, 12:45 AM

davidant32 wrote:

Riker should've exhausted every option to take her alive.

I guess the police never changed their tactics.

Dale Sams · May 23 2013, 03:08 AM

And he vaporized his clone under the pretense of "Well, it came from my cells"!

JirinPanthosa · May 23 2013, 03:25 AM

It was clear to me that there wasn't any setting that would stun her but not kill her.

Maybe he could have overpowered her. But when an innocent person's life is at risk you don't mess around. You don't risk the victim's life to save the attacker's life when you can save the victim's life by killing the attacker.

Mr. Laser Beam · May 23 2013, 03:39 AM

BillJ wrote:

What would've happened to Yuta if they had captured her? Stick her on a penal colony until the last of the Lornak clan was dead?

Yuta was probably strong and smart enough to escape any confinement the Acamarians could devise for her. They couldn't risk that.

Tosk · May 23 2013, 04:33 AM

His actions seemed just fine to me.

Think of it in terms of our time...

A serial killer carrying a deadly weapon is caught in the act of trying to murder yet another victim.
The police taze them to minimal effect.
They taze again, killer still not going down. The police implore the killer not to do it.
When the killer lunges for the victim, do the cops shoot to kill?

May 22 2013, 09:01 PM	#1
davidant32 Commodore	Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker I just finished watching the Blu-Ray of 3x09 "The Vengeance Factor" and was appalled to realize that Riker flat-out murdered Yuta! I mean, he tried stunning her twice with his phaser, then without any warning of the use of deadly force, vaporized her. All that needed to happen was for anyone NOT of the Lornak Clan to restrain her (read: anyone but Chorgan). Not only that, but 3 episodes later, Riker chastises Devos for using deadly force on Finn in 3x12 "The High Ground." What a hypocrite and murderer! __________________ Space, time, and thought are not the separate things they appear to be.

May 22 2013, 09:15 PM	#2
Forbin Admiral Location: I said out, dammit!	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker I kind of agree. Vaporising her was uncalled for. __________________ My kitbashes: http://www.inpayne.com/models/kitbash/trekpage.html My Kitbash Wallpapers: http://www.inpayne.com/models/wallpa...allpapers.html My kitbash calendar: http://inpayne.com/calendar/kbcalendar2013.html

May 22 2013, 09:21 PM	#3
jimbotron Commander Location: Bay Area, CA	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker This is silly. When he shot her the second time, it should have put her down, but it didn't. It was probably set to kill by that point. She's apparently impervious to being knocked out. No one was in the position to restrain her. All she needed to do was lunge at Chorgan to kill him, and was only about four steps away. Besides, she had it coming.

May 22 2013, 09:22 PM	#4
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker He did stun her twice, and she continued to try and attack. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

May 22 2013, 09:25 PM	#5
cheesepuff316 Ensign	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker She'd already murdered all but one of the other clan and was trying to kill the last one. He already tried to stun her and it didn't work. He tried talking her out of it, and failed so he had no other options to save Chorgan's life. He warned her that he had no choice and needed to stop her - she just ignored him....

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May 22 2013, 09:41 PM	#7
Pavonis Commodore Location: South Dakota	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker Who is going to charge him with murder, though? Who has jurisdiction?

May 22 2013, 10:08 PM	#8
Ar-Pharazon Admiral of the Rear	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker I always thought killing her seemed unnecessary. The first two quick shots did move her back a bit, so Riker could've tried a sustained heavy-stun beam. And she didn't so much ignore Riker as just couldn't fight the imperative for vengeance. For all we know there was some mind programming involved. __________________ Rimmer, on what period of history to live in- “Well, It’d be the 19th century for me, one of Napoleon’s marshals. The chance to march across Europe with the greatest general of all time and kill Belgians” - (White Hole).

May 22 2013, 10:17 PM	#9
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker Chorgan was grateful enough to Riker for saving his life that I'm sure he used all his influence to get Riker off the hook. And the Sovereign was plenty pissed at Yuta as well, so I doubt Yuta would be missed. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

May 22 2013, 10:57 PM	#10
BillJ Vice Admiral Location: Greater Cincinnati	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker What would've happened to Yuta if they had captured her? Stick her on a penal colony until the last of the Lornak clan was dead? Riker did the merciful thing by ending her life. __________________ "You know. 1966? Seventy-nine episodes, about thirty good ones." - Phillip Fry describing Star Trek, Futurama

May 23 2013, 03:08 AM	#12
Dale Sams Captain	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker And he vaporized his clone under the pretense of "Well, it came from my cells"!

May 23 2013, 03:25 AM	#13
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker It was clear to me that there wasn't any setting that would stun her but not kill her. Maybe he could have overpowered her. But when an innocent person's life is at risk you don't mess around. You don't risk the victim's life to save the attacker's life when you can save the victim's life by killing the attacker.

May 23 2013, 04:33 AM	#15
Tosk Rear Admiral Location: On the run.	Re: Wanted for Murder: Cmdr Riker His actions seemed just fine to me. Think of it in terms of our time... A serial killer carrying a deadly weapon is caught in the act of trying to murder yet another victim. The police taze them to minimal effect. They taze again, killer still not going down. The police implore the killer not to do it. When the killer lunges for the victim, do the cops shoot to kill?