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Old September 14 2014, 08:52 AM   #1
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David Gerrold on TNG and the Behind-the-Scenes Drama

David Gerrold speaks frankly on his time on TNG and the behind-the-scenes drama, especially around "Blood and Fire."

See: http://trekmovie.com/2014/09/12/excl...-jj-trek-more/
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Old September 14 2014, 09:37 AM   #2
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Re: David Gerrold on TNG and the Behind-the-Scenes Drama

Great read.

Part 1, which focuses on TAS and TAS, also has a some stuff on TNG and gay characters in Trek.
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Old September 14 2014, 10:47 AM   #3
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Re: David Gerrold on TNG and the Behind-the-Scenes Drama

Gerrold trying to take credit for "Tiberius" as Kirk's middle name is lame-O. Tiberius was the middle name of Gary Lockwood's character in Roddenberry's The Lieutenant well before Trek. Gene reused names any number of times ("Noonien Singh/Noonian Soong" anyone?). Let's hope this is a case of cryptomnesia on his part.
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Old September 14 2014, 10:58 AM   #4
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Re: David Gerrold on TNG and the Behind-the-Scenes Drama

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Gerrold trying to take credit for "Tiberius" as Kirk's middle name is lame-O. Tiberius was the middle name of Gary Lockwood's character in Roddenberry's The Lieutenant well before Trek. Gene reused names any number of times ("Noonien Singh/Noonian Soong" anyone?). Let's hope this is a case of cryptomnesia on his part.
According to what's here and the referenced interviews, Fontana could corroborate or contradict at least some of his version of events, if she even remembers.
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Old September 14 2014, 11:44 PM   #5
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Re: David Gerrold on TNG and the Behind-the-Scenes Drama

My disappoint with the piece is with the lack of journalism in it — it's just another blog Q&A. I know I shouldn't expect much from Trekmovie in that regard. But Gerrold makes statements about the incident that would've been nice to have another source or two, whether it's an quote from another article or one from Berman —*even a noted attempt to reach Berman for comment would've been nice.

Gerrold is very much a person who believes any article should have at least two sources. I know this first hand because I had a conversation about it when I meet him at WonderCon years ago. So it's rather disappointing that this article seems rather one sided. Now, I'm not defending anyone here or excusing anyone's behavior. But the truth isn't one-sided, and it's usually somewhere in the fuzzy middle.

And it is possible to write something very journalistic in entertainment news. I did that very thing when it came to Superman's copyright. (http://comicsbulletin.com/never-endi...ans-copyright/)

Guess, I'm more disappointed not about what Gerrold said but rather at the missed opportunity to write a truly great article about "whatever happened to 'Blood and Fire'."
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Old September 15 2014, 12:56 PM   #6
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Gerrold comes across as incredibly bitter and resentful. Also calling TNG a "second rate show" - come on.

Also, I resent the attack on Berman as a "homophobe". I think the reason 'Blood And Fire' didn't get anywhere was because it just wasn't very good. Enough details/script have been released now to form an opinion on it.
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I'd like to read his reactions and reflections on how he thought Phase II handled Blood and Fire.
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Old September 15 2014, 10:28 PM   #8
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Gerrold comes across as incredibly bitter and resentful. Also calling TNG a "second rate show" - come on.
I think he meant that as long as it was under Maizlish's sway, it would never have been anything but second-rate. It's generally agreed that TNG didn't really become a first-rate show until Michael Piller came aboard in season 3.


Also, I resent the attack on Berman as a "homophobe". I think the reason 'Blood And Fire' didn't get anywhere was because it just wasn't very good. Enough details/script have been released now to form an opinion on it.
More than that -- it's been novelized as part of Gerrold's Star Wolf series and adapted as a Phase II fan film.

I've read the novel, and I don't think its quality was low compared to most of TNG's first season, so I don't think that makes sense as a reason for its abandonment. And it's hard to overlook the fact that in all the years Berman was producing Trek, we never got a gay character, except for a couple of gender-bending aliens in episodes like "Rejoined" and "Warlord." Gerrold's language is rather harsh, but I'm not convinced that makes him wrong.
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Old September 15 2014, 10:59 PM   #9
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The novel may not be indicative of the quality of the teleplay, however.

His Phase II version certainly isn't his best work.
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Old September 15 2014, 11:02 PM   #10
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Gerrold seems like an embittered former employee who resents not having been treated like "the talent" while he was w ST.
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Can't we just all agree that ratings are pretty much worthless and leave it at that?
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Old September 16 2014, 12:59 AM   #12
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The novel may not be indicative of the quality of the teleplay, however.

His Phase II version certainly isn't his best work.
The novel was much, much better. It was more exciting. The drama much more naturalistic and the stakes higher for a captain.
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Can't we just all agree that ratings are pretty much worthless and leave it at that?
Where are ratings discussed in this thread?
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His Phase II version certainly isn't his best work.
You're very diplomatic, I usually call it a POS script. If the TNG version was similar to that I can see why it was never produced, it was horrendous! Two gay guys take over the show and are exposed to space slug AIDS and one of them dies.
Not only is it bad because the regular cast is sidelined in favor of guest stars, it's also offensive because the gay relationship ends with a tragedy. Of course they had similar things happen to straight couples but there's a difference between how you treat some of countless straight couples and how you treat one of exactly one gay couple.
I haven't read the novel and honestly, after seeing the filmed version I'm not interested.
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^I've always gathered that the fact that two male characters were in a relationship was a minor part of the story, just alluded to in passing.
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