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View Poll Results: what TV channel do you think would be most realistic in 2010-2013?
Showtime - subscription TV channel (owned by CBS Corporation) 15 28.85%
Spike [formerly Spike TV] cable/satellite TV channel (a division of MTV Networks, owned by Viacom) 0 0%
SyFy - cable TV channel- (part of the entertainment conglomerate NBC Universal) 16 30.77%
CBS broadcast network (owned by CBS Corporation) 14 26.92%
The CW broadcast network (owned by CBS Corporation) 7 13.46%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old October 20 2009, 03:30 PM   #61
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Re: What channel should a new Trek TV series be on?

I would prefer Scify...since that would mean we might NOT have to wait a whole year for the start of the series or the newest season...since Scify has a german language channel.
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Old October 20 2009, 09:17 PM   #62
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Re: What channel should a new Trek TV series be on?

GhostFaceSaint wrote: View Post
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From what they own not including College Sports Network:
* CBS
* The CW Television Network
* Showtime Networks
o Showtime
o The Movie Channel
o FLIX
o SET Pay-Per-View (sporting and entertainment events)
Maybe CBS will take over another channel [buy] and re-brand it. The TV channel market is so saturated now that I can't see them starting a new channel under CBS ownership for the Sci-fi target market.

Viacom & Paramount co-own a brand new premium TV network Epix which I started a thread about already in Future of Trek which debuts on October 30.
Epix is a joint venture among Viacom, Paramount, MGM and Lionsgate
CBS is missing the general interest basic cable channel. Think USA, TNT, or FX. If CBS were ever to decide to launch an equivalent channel Star Trek may be a good fit. I could even see Star Trek being a launch program like VOY was with UPN. This assumes Star Trek could be done on a basic cable budget and CBS has any interest in even trying.
Well if the movies that come out in the next few years are collectively successful it would demonstrate that there is a market for a future 'Trek TV show on a new network, but only time will tell.
Wrong, if the movies are successful it proves there is a market for big budget summer scifi/action Trek. To prove there is a market for TV Trek there needs to be a new space based TV show that does well. Every time a space base show flops (Virtuality, Defying Gravity) it makes it even harder to prove TV Trek will work.
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Old October 20 2009, 09:35 PM   #63
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Wrong, if the movies are successful it proves there is a market for big budget summer scifi/action Trek. To prove there is a market for TV Trek there needs to be a new space based TV show that does well. Every time a space base show flops (Virtuality, Defying Gravity) it makes it even harder to prove TV Trek will work.
I'm sorry but the bulk of sci-fi that has been coming out in the last few years on TV has been consistently bad, I don't know anything about Virtuality or Defying Gravity, and what I do know about for the most part is terrible (Stargate), with only one exception. It seems that the only consistently good sci-fi as of late has been coming out in novels. Star Trek has a built in fan base, and if they produce a non episodic format again they might succeed again in capturing the casual viewer. Don't presume that Star Trek is dead when it did so well even when I thought it was awful (Enterprise should have done far worse in my opinion).
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Old October 21 2009, 12:04 AM   #64
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Re: What channel should a new Trek TV series be on?

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Burn Notice on USA isn't sci-fi, it's a comedy drama, but it show what kind of shows USA can put on with a limited ( under two million ) budget. Plus I only get basic - plus cable, and I want to see the show too!
I just checked Wikipedia for USA Network:
USA Network on basic cable, DirecTV, Dish Network
In 2004 NBC Universal officially took over as owner of USA
Ratings:
USA's 2008 average for P25-54 (1.33 million), P18-49 (1.30 million), total viewers (2.84 million) and households (2.11 million) is the highest ever for a basic cable network in Primetime. USA delivered more P25-54, P18-49, and total viewers than The CW in prime (Mon-Sun 8P-11P). This is the first time a cable network has beaten a broadcast network.
Well it shows that a primetime show could get a higher rating here than on CBS owned The CW Television Network.
I didn't know it when I started this poll/thread that
The [CW] network features a lineup of shows that, according to its President of Entertainment Dawn Ostroff, "appeal to women 18 to 34-years-old"
So that option is really out for Trek with a core male audience.

What do you guys think of this if CBS Television produces it and sells the US distribution for first run to USA Network?
Would USA Network be in any better position than SyFy for first run?
Who else would be a likely candidate in 2013 for CBS Television to license the first run to air it?
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Old October 22 2009, 02:39 AM   #65
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Re: What channel should a new Trek TV series be on?

USA's tag line is "characters welcome." All their shows have quirky characters. A Star Trek show could be created that fit the USA style, but it would feel different classic Trek. A better network thematically would be SyFy or TNT.

On the flip side, the viewer argument for USA looks even stronger if you look at Burn Notice viewers not USA averages. The first half of this Burn Notice season all had more than 5m viewers. The first half finale peaked at 7.6m viewers. Enterprise by contrast dropped below 5m in early season 2 and dropped below 7.6m after Terra Nova(1x06). So a successful USA show can expect to attract enough viewers to be sustainable.

On TNT, Leverage seems to be drawing about 3.5m viewers. I'm having trouble tracking down ratings for SyFy shows, but I think I remember BSG peaking a little over 3m and beating Enterprise. So either TNT or SyFy may be able to sustain a large enough audience, but it'll be tougher than USA. Although they all should have roughly the same coverage.
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Old October 22 2009, 02:49 AM   #66
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On Sci-Fi BSG beat ENT only when you compare the best ratings of BSG and the very worst ratings of ENT. Most of the time BSG had ratings far below what ENT had in it's last season. A show can survive on Sci-Fi if the ratings hover at HH 1.5.

The worst ENT ever had was 1.4 and 1.5. Most episodes were more then enough to make it a success on Sci-Fi.
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Old October 22 2009, 03:12 PM   #67
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I was talking about Jan-March 2005 when both ENT and BSG were on Friday night. ENT had nielsens in the 1.5 to 2 range, while BSG was 2.1-2.6. Of course UPN and SciFi have different market sizes so those numbers don't compare perfectly, but I can't find total viewer numbers for BSG.

You're right that for most of its time ENT had better ratings than most of BSG, it's just that ENT's worst ratings at its end happened, while BSG had its best ratings at its start and both of those periods overlapped.
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Old October 25 2009, 09:34 PM   #68
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Re: What channel should a new Trek TV series be on?

USA's tag line is "characters welcome." All their shows have quirky characters. A Star Trek show could be created that fit the USA style, but it would feel different classic Trek. A better network thematically would be SyFy or TNT.
Yep. I don't want a USA-style Star Trek. But how about FX, which is making a name for itself with edgy, male-skewing shows. Or go classy, premium-cable-lite, with AMC.
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Old October 27 2009, 12:00 AM   #69
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I just saw this story which shows what broadcast channels are getting per 30 second spot for each show. It should give a good indication of what can realistically be expected in terms of revenue for a show. It looks like roughly each viewer is worth $.01 for each 30 second spot. Fringe currently makes $120k/commercial. Assuming 36 commercials for each show that means the network takes in $4.3m/episode. Factoring in costs and profit along the way Fringe probably can cost a max of $2m an episode to be profitable.

If a Star Trek TV show plans for roughly the 10 million viewers Fringe gets, then it will need to keep it's budget at $2m/episode. If it goes the cable route and only plans on 5 million viewers then it will need to cut its budget to $1m.
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Old October 27 2009, 09:02 PM   #70
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USA's tag line is "characters welcome." All their shows have quirky characters. A Star Trek show could be created that fit the USA style, but it would feel different classic Trek. A better network thematically would be SyFy or TNT.
Yep. I don't want a USA-style Star Trek. But how about FX, which is making a name for itself with edgy, male-skewing shows. Or go classy, premium-cable-lite, with AMC.

Edgy? Male-skewed? Yeah that sounds like crap and silly action scenes and women with big boobs and little brain. Not what I want in Trek.

How about Sci-Fi?

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I just saw this story which shows what broadcast channels are getting per 30 second spot for each show. It should give a good indication of what can realistically be expected in terms of revenue for a show. It looks like roughly each viewer is worth $.01 for each 30 second spot. Fringe currently makes $120k/commercial. Assuming 36 commercials for each show that means the network takes in $4.3m/episode. Factoring in costs and profit along the way Fringe probably can cost a max of $2m an episode to be profitable.

If a Star Trek TV show plans for roughly the 10 million viewers Fringe gets, then it will need to keep it's budget at $2m/episode. If it goes the cable route and only plans on 5 million viewers then it will need to cut its budget to $1m.

Really? I know shows on Sci-Fi have a budget of $1.3 to $2 million. $1.3 was the original cost of Stargate and $2 million is the cost of Warehouse 13.
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Old October 27 2009, 10:25 PM   #71
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why can't sci fi not have the rights to air a new Star Trek series
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Old October 28 2009, 02:42 AM   #72
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The CW.

However if the episodes aired only on YT it would get more viewers week to week.
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Old October 29 2009, 12:03 AM   #73
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Other: an internet channel that will let people out of the US subscribe. Preferably with view on demand.
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Old October 29 2009, 03:09 AM   #74
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Other: an internet channel that will let people out of the US subscribe. Preferably with view on demand.
Ah yes the video-on-demand distribution path. Which content provider will be the king?
Clancy_s you and Jetfire bring up a serious distribution path and content provider- Youtube that will be gaining a lot of traction in the next 2-3 years before the next Trek TV series goes into Production.

I alluded to this in March
with in a discussion about the future of Trek DVDs:
Downloadable video content is the future. The Everything-On-Demand is not just a fantasy. Give it 10 years to mature.
The iTunes store model will not exist in that business model then.
Monthly Subscriptions to all-you-can-stream buffet style downloads may be in vogue in 6 years.
I mentioned this last month in a discussion about Blu-ray players.
YouTube may become the next window in the Hollywood distribution chain.
The video-sharing site is in early talks with Warner Bros., Sony Pictures and Lionsgate about streaming movies online to its users for a rental fee, people close to the discussions say.
Pricing would be similar to VOD and iTunes, which is about $3.99 per movie .
Sept. 2, 2009 source
This month a major media TV channel conglomerate may be merging and that may mean changes in media and business models:
Comcast's bid to co-own NBC Universal is a grab for digital content dominance that will trigger influential paid models, force a revamp of broadcast television and spawn a new wave of media deals.
October 2009 month

And Youtube's main competition: Hulu
Hulu is also exploring subscription areas of its service, which provides network TV content without charge to consumers.
-Hulu CEO Jason Kilar, October 2009

Heck Clancy_s I even started a poll last month about which video-on-demand provider people would use to get the series 6 Trek download.

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Old October 30 2009, 12:54 AM   #75
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Ah yes the video-on-demand distribution path. Which content provider will be the king?
Clancy_s you and Jetfire bring up a serious distribution path and content provider- Youtube that will be gaining a lot of traction in the next 2-3 years before the next Trek TV series goes into Production.
*iz new*

I think in the end that's how it'll be, once fast enough connections are widely available and once the studios accept the need to make it available to everyone at the same time. Electronic distribution by subcription / paid per download or whatever is IMO the best way to do it.

In regional Aus there's not much option atm for those wanting to do it legally, especially for someone using linux, so I'm not familiar with any of the options in your poll.
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