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Old July 24 2009, 04:24 PM   #1
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Anyone else think season 3 really killed it??

I'm a Trek fan from way back, right through my teens. Watched and owned all the movies, loved TNG, DS9 and VOY-, when Ent came out I was in my first year at college. Was against the premise to begin with for doctrinerial reasons to start with, ya know theme song, no st prefix and above the whole prequel thing. At the time I felt ST was a bit puffed out after 15 yrs with Berman and needed a rest. Anyway, watched the first season on tv when it came out and thought it was ok, not really any major programs, I'd even say I found it enjoyable towards the end of the season. By the time season 2 came out I was engaged to a real nice girl (now married 5 yrs and cuaght up at uni so never watched anymore of the show... until the last few weeks.

I'v now seen season 2 and 3, and you know what, season 2 was also ok, enjoyable at times, certainbly the show seemed to be finding its feet. But I must say the season long arc in s3 about these stupid insect people tryng to blow up earth is the worst thing yet written, there si zero interest here. Now I'm fine with the last ep of s2, they could have dragged this whole thing out for few eps in s3 and wrapped it up and it would have been ok, buta whole season on a mediocre storyline with aliens we have never heard of and have no interest in. I'm just sitting here watchng this seaosn and thinking, when is it going to end, please god can we have an episode about anything else!!

I just don't see what B&B could have been thinking, how was this going to entice new viewers?? I think back to the first episode of s5 of voy, I forget the name, but basicallythey get stuck in this part of space where there are no stars, just a few other shps trapped there and some nocturnal people who make clicking noises. Now imagine if this opening episode had been dragged out for teh entire season, crusing through this void and trying to save the clicking aliens or some shit. S3 of ent is essentailly this flawwed. I really think it killed the show. And really there was nothing wrong wth this show, the characters are solid, I would say Trip, Malcolm and Phlox in particular. they coud have done this really well and made it really interesting but to em it just seems that B&B did not have the requisite passion and ethusiasm for what they where doing to really push this show out in style when it got to season 3.

Now in fairness what I have seen of season 4 does seem better, but by this stage it was clearly to late. Another critical error was in alienating trek fans from the outset by trying t market the show as "ït's trek but we won't call t trek so people who haven't watched the show will watch it now, hey and lets get the guys who did the theme to dawsons creek to our opening titles". The more I look at the show it just seems to have been conceived as a money maing 'enterprise' and produced as such; the last two seaosn just have a feeling of "well lets try this... couldn't hurt more than that temporal cold war thing"

It really is a shame because this show had real potential and it is an enjoyable show (minus s3). It's just a shame B&B didn't really have the heart to give it the passion that a Trek show deserves.

... I know lots of typos, I did graduate college but it was in spite of my typing, not beacuse of it. Many apologies
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Old July 24 2009, 04:33 PM   #2
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Re: Anyone else think season 3 really killed it??

I dunno. It was an okay stand alone show, but, yeah, as a prequel it failed. I think they should've embraced TOS and made something that looked like a prequel to that as opposed to a show set in the future.
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Old July 24 2009, 04:48 PM   #3
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I never had any problems whatsoever accepting Enterprise as a prequel to the Original Series. I recognised enough 'Easter Eggs' in terms of set design, computer interfaces, pin-dials and slider controls... without visiting Doug Drexler's blog all these years later and having it explicitly spelt for me. Some concessions had to be made for the 21st century, while looking less advanced than anything seen in the TNG era and the show handled that very well, in my opinion.

You couldn't make a prequel that looks like Forbidden Planet, not in live-action at any rate... it would be laughed off the screen. Crewmen walking around with a wireless and antenna as a backpack. Duck Dodgers rayguns. Sorry, but no. Maybe as a cartoon, where realism doesn't enter into it. I was happy with Enterprise for the most part. Oh, there were things the producers should've stood their ground on. Like those NX-01 baseball caps and electric blue, quilted leather away team jackets seen in the Pilot.

I notice TOS touches all over the place in this show. The Echo 1 subspace ampilifier dropped during Silent Enemy. The base of which looked like the Nomad probe from The Changeling. Trust me, just keep looking... it was all in here.
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Old July 24 2009, 04:54 PM   #4
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Re: Anyone else think season 3 really killed it??

I think what I meant was missing was a more superficial link with TOS like why women all of sudden started wearing mini-skirts, why the uniforms are like pyjamas, why the ships started looking like they did etc

Like I said, I liked the show but it really was a shame that the prequel aspect was never explored until it was too late, which is why I'd like to see it back.
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Old July 24 2009, 05:23 PM   #5
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Sorry, Shazam. I'm not having a go at anyone, just expressing how I saw it. I don't consider it my job to convince or sway anybody's opinion and frankly, I'm coming around to the view that it's a little late now anyway. Those who did the difficult job of coming up with set design and new ships, they were TOS nuts and managed to sneak in a whole lot of stuff under the radar. Part of that annoys me about the look of JJ Abrams' Star Trek movie. Much of the retro looking tech I mention (which could've been a stage or two before that on the Defiant) is rendered null and void, by floating glass touch screens.

You're absolutely right though, that not enough 'prequel-style backstory' was explored during the first three seasons. There was some, too few and far between like the Andorian situation with the Vulcans - that was, what... twice in Season 1 and once in Season 2? The rest was down to the odd race name checked (Axxinar), or location mentioned (Coridan, Vega Colony and so on). Not until Season 4 did they finally begin to show rather than tell.

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Old July 24 2009, 05:49 PM   #6
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Re: Anyone else think season 3 really killed it??

They were desperately looking for something to shake Enterprise up by the end of Season 2, that's for sure. I'm split on whether one long arc devoted to the Xindi mission killed the show or not. You see, on DVD I found watching this season pretty addictive. However when it was on TV, it didn't half drag on. Being able to watch more than one episode a week benefits the whole storyline. Whereas it probably sufferred from viewers getting frustrated waiting for the plot to pick up the pace, and stop taking detours. North Star is a good example of what I'm taking about. It's become one of favourite episodes, but it feels completely out of place here... when it could've stood out among the more duller Season 2 tales.
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Old July 24 2009, 06:44 PM   #7
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Not in the least.
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Old July 24 2009, 07:15 PM   #8
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At least to me it did.
S3 started with "Vampire Nazis From Outer Space" and ended with the predictable rescue of the world in the very last second. Add to that the utter crap they called "'Temporal Cold War" and you have the reason why it was already way too late when S4 finally showed what the show should have been.
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Old July 24 2009, 07:39 PM   #9
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I think season 3 is ENT's best season and one of the top seasons of Trek in general.
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Old July 24 2009, 07:51 PM   #10
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^ I agree.
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Old July 24 2009, 09:09 PM   #11
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Re: Anyone else think season 3 really killed it??

lennier1 wrote: View Post
At least to me it did.
S3 started with "Vampire Nazis From Outer Space" and ended with the predictable rescue of the world in the very last second. Add to that the utter crap they called "'Temporal Cold War" and you have the reason why it was already way too late when S4 finally showed what the show should have been.


Too true, not only that instead of a viable foe they pulled the Xindi out of nowwhere?

Oh look, new and better badguys.

Sigh...

What could have been, I gave up after season three. I lost faith of the heart.
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Old July 24 2009, 09:43 PM   #12
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Tuvok wrote: View Post
lennier1 wrote: View Post
At least to me it did.
S3 started with "Vampire Nazis From Outer Space" and ended with the predictable rescue of the world in the very last second. Add to that the utter crap they called "'Temporal Cold War" and you have the reason why it was already way too late when S4 finally showed what the show should have been.


Too true, not only that instead of a viable foe they pulled the Xindi out of nowwhere?

Oh look, new and better badguys.

Sigh...

What could have been, I gave up after season three. I lost faith of the heart.
A shame. S4 still had a lot of crap but moments like the Aenar or Terra Prime made it worthwhile. At some point it was actually watchable.
Sadly most of modern Trek only consists of whipping out yet another big foe to go to war against once the previous one has been defeated (aka the Stargate syndrome) and good stories like Similitude are simply drowned out by overdone action and the producers´ desire to cram as many explosions and special effects shots into a production as possible.
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Old July 24 2009, 09:49 PM   #13
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Re: Anyone else think season 3 really killed it??

I really like season 3 and thought it had wonderful character arcs for all the characters, it had some of my favorite shows that are from season 3 Similtude, The Forgotten,Azati Prime Damage, Countdown Zero hour.
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Old July 24 2009, 10:37 PM   #14
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Tuvok wrote: View Post
lennier1 wrote: View Post
At least to me it did.
S3 started with "Vampire Nazis From Outer Space" and ended with the predictable rescue of the world in the very last second. Add to that the utter crap they called "'Temporal Cold War" and you have the reason why it was already way too late when S4 finally showed what the show should have been.


Too true, not only that instead of a viable foe they pulled the Xindi out of nowwhere?

Oh look, new and better badguys.

Sigh...

What could have been, I gave up after season three. I lost faith of the heart.
An extended conflict with the Klingons, similar to the Xindi story arc, with the Romulans in the background stirring things up in season three, could've filled in the blanks in terms of Federation-Empire historical conflicts. But maybe they didn't want to go the Klingon route, having mined that territory in previous shows. -- RR
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Old July 25 2009, 10:08 AM   #15
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Re: Anyone else think season 3 really killed it??

No, season 3 saved it... at least quality-wise.

In a sense, Enterprise's 3rd season is Voyager-that-never-was: A single starship has to survive on its own in a distant, unexplored, and dangerous sector of space. But this time they did it right. If the ship is attacked and badly damaged in one episode, it has to stay that way because there is no starbase anywhere around ("Azati Prime"). In order to survive, the captain has make tough decisions ("Damage"), which lie on his conscience later on ("Home"). Nevertheless, they're still losing a third of their crew until they make it home. Season 3 was Enterprise's "Year of Hell" (without the reset button).

As for the Xindi, this was just Enterpise's attempt of combining it with a Dominion war-like arc. And the Xindi certainly worked better than the Suliban and their Temporal Cold War, which went pretty much nowhere.

And I don't quite understand the "Xindi arc is lame, because we already know that Earth is never really in jeopardy" argument. After all, this is Star Trek. Even if you hadn't the knowledge of the 23rd and 24th century shows, would you really have assumed that they are going to blow up Earth in the end? That's like saying DS9 is a bad show because we know that the Dominion can't really win in the end (despite the fact that same writers claim they would have liked to end it this way). Even J.J. Abrams hadn't the balls to blow up Earth... he stopped with Vulcan. And you expect that a Berman-run show is "braver" than Abrams Trek?

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