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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old August 8 2009, 02:47 AM   #31
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Rob, that avi is awesome.
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Old August 8 2009, 04:24 AM   #32
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Rob, that avi is awesome.
thanks..though I have since switched to DAN FOUTS for just a bit!!!

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Old August 8 2009, 07:46 AM   #33
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Well, we could always do the Robert Wise did and smear Vaseline on the screen.
Where? Or are you talking about the blurriness caused by the use of the split diopter?

As to the matte painted people in TMP, sheesh, I noticed that on VHS. Where've your eyeballs been?

Also, just to be correct, the image used to extend the corridor outside Engineering is not a matte painting. A matte painting is a post production effect that requires a matte (hence the name). What you're looking at is probably a TRANSLITE, which is backlit artwork, or, at the very least, a painted set extension. As it's shot live on the set, it's not a matte.
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Old August 8 2009, 02:22 PM   #34
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The painted people have been obvious since before day one, newsweek or time ran a still of that shot pre-release and it was obvious there, but it was seriously obvious in the theatre, and the shot design doesn't hide it ... you've got that booth on the left and the tram on the right and life in the foreground, so the dead painted area draws the eye BECAUSE it is dead.
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Old August 8 2009, 02:37 PM   #35
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The painted people have been obvious since before day one, newsweek or time ran a still of that shot pre-release and it was obvious there, but it was seriously obvious in the theatre, and the shot design doesn't hide it ... you've got that booth on the left and the tram on the right and life in the foreground, so the dead painted area draws the eye BECAUSE it is dead.
Well..maybe for you. And maybe this stuff was known a long time ago at the dawn of the dinosaurs..but not for me. Consider me a late bloomer. I didn't notice it until just about two weeks ago and I've been showing everyone how 'smart' i am. Now here you come along telling me this is old stuff..you are ruining the image my friends have of me; all knowing..all wise!! STOP IT!!!

Just kidding..seriously..I never saw this stuff until now so that is why its fun to do. And as I said before, its all done in total respect of the movie making process and not mean to make fun of anyone...

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Old August 9 2009, 01:02 AM   #36
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Have mercy DS, kids don't know this stuff. "Matte" covers everything that FX Peeps used to do, doncha know?
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Old August 9 2009, 02:32 AM   #37
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Well, scenic artists aren't fx people (vfx or physical/practical effects), so ...
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Old August 9 2009, 03:48 AM   #38
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Have mercy DS, kids don't know this stuff. "Matte" covers everything that FX Peeps used to do, doncha know?
Given how much discussion of VFX there is on this board, maybe a "VFX And What Ain't 101" thread would be a good idea. Then everyone would know the difference between rear projection, front projection, IntroVision, Zoptic, hanging miniatures, glass shots, matte shots, repeat-pass motion control elements, go motion, stop motion, sodium vapour process, etc., and what a translite, forced perspective set, cyclorama, etc. is, too.

The again, I ain't writing all those descriptions!
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Old August 9 2009, 04:52 AM   #39
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rear projection, front projection, IntroVision, Zoptic, hanging miniatures, glass shots, matte shots, repeat-pass motion control elements, go motion, stop motion, sodium vapour process, etc., and what a translite, forced perspective set, cyclorama,
Let them eat Google.
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Old August 9 2009, 07:47 AM   #40
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rear projection, front projection, IntroVision, Zoptic, hanging miniatures, glass shots, matte shots, repeat-pass motion control elements, go motion, stop motion, sodium vapour process, etc., and what a translite, forced perspective set, cyclorama,
Let them eat Google.
Yeah...unfortunately, being the internet, lots of the Googled results are of dubious merit. I recently had to revise a nearly incomprehensible and inaccurate description on IntroVision on Wikipedia, which read like someone was copying information from an article but didn't really understand what they were reading. Me, I looked up the patent and used that as a primary reference!
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Old August 9 2009, 10:55 AM   #41
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Have mercy DS, kids don't know this stuff. "Matte" covers everything that FX Peeps used to do, doncha know?
Given how much discussion of VFX there is on this board, maybe a "VFX And What Ain't 101" thread would be a good idea. Then everyone would know the difference between rear projection, front projection, IntroVision, Zoptic, hanging miniatures, glass shots, matte shots, repeat-pass motion control elements, go motion, stop motion, sodium vapour process, etc., and what a translite, forced perspective set, cyclorama, etc. is, too.

The again, I ain't writing all those descriptions!
perhaps..but it is a good idea!!!

So...okay..how did they do the moving starfied in TOS????

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Old August 9 2009, 10:42 PM   #42
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So...okay..how did they do the moving starfied in TOS????
A rotating barrel, draped with black fabric, upon which are glued tiny squares of aluminum.

Same as on TNG. I actually have a single quarter-inch "star" from the set of TNG.
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Old August 10 2009, 02:11 AM   #43
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Have mercy DS, kids don't know this stuff. "Matte" covers everything that FX Peeps used to do, doncha know?
Given how much discussion of VFX there is on this board, maybe a "VFX And What Ain't 101" thread would be a good idea. Then everyone would know the difference between rear projection, front projection, IntroVision, Zoptic, hanging miniatures, glass shots, matte shots, repeat-pass motion control elements, go motion, stop motion, sodium vapour process, etc., and what a translite, forced perspective set, cyclorama, etc. is, too.

The again, I ain't writing all those descriptions!
perhaps..but it is a good idea!!!

So...okay..how did they do the moving starfied in TOS????

Rob
Which moving starfield? The fly-through ones seen on the viewer? The ones for the exterior space shots as the ship flies by?
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Old August 10 2009, 03:19 AM   #44
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Some of you may have already seen these things, so bravo zulu to you. But now, with my 1080p and blurays, I can REALLY see these things.
You could've seen them even better at the theater in 1979, if you were really watching for them.
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Old August 10 2009, 04:31 AM   #45
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Is your TV one of the new 120Hz ones? If so, try to look at the movement and depth of the image. It looks like news or sports, right? I noticed it on my sister's set, not knowing that hers is 120Hz, and couldn't figure out why the image didn't look right until I saw it in a store side by side with a standard 60Hz set.

If your set is 120Hz, that may also be contributing to why you're noticing these things now.
Ziz..and everyone else..I JUST got a 1080p 240hz TV this weekend...i am ABSOLUTELY floored with how 'fake' everything looks now. I just watched KHAN with my friend, and oh my god..its like YOU ARE THERE watching them film it. I cant put in words what i mean..but when we watched IRONMAN after Khan, and since Iron man is a newer film, the images are TOO perfect. The scene inside the HUMVEE with Tony and the army dudes is SO LIFE LIKE its like you're watching it live and for some reason? It doesn't look like a movie anymore. It looks like I am watching them film a movie and I am there and..well...before you get one of these TVs I warn you...BEWARE. It is hard to put in word. GO TEST one..I spent $2800 on this TV and, well, I am kind of regretting it..BUT NO..I wont get rid of it...I'm just saying that you may want to test one out before you get one...amazing


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