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Old August 5 2009, 02:51 AM   #1
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Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

Who wins who flames out?

I say the Defiant is bloodied but wins b/c it has The Sisko and he makes liberal use of the QT's
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Old August 5 2009, 04:09 AM   #2
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

Warbird easily. Proof from this FNS holocapture:



Warbird invades Bajoran sector as local Defiant task force is decimated and retreats. Warbird suffered no damage. The faith of DS9 is unknown following the loss of all communications with the station.








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Old August 5 2009, 04:43 AM   #3
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

Assuming you mean the D'deridex class, then it's difficult to call. I know they appear quite a few times in Trek, but have we ever really seen them fight very often? The only occasion I can think of is the Founders' trap in The Die Is Cast, so there's not much evidence to go on.
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Old August 5 2009, 06:30 AM   #4
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

Given my rather low opinion of the Warbird as a combatant I'd back the Defiant. The Warbird has always seem to be more show then go in my opinion.

The Defiant tore the Regent's flagship a new one and that was huge and was bristling with weapons. Then in the First Battle of Chin'toka a Warbird was knocked out of the fight in 3 second by the OWPs, while the Defiant kept trucking. The strength of the Warbird would be in its ability to cloak and that it could decloak and catch the enemy by surprise. You take away that first strike and force it to battle it out I don't think it has the pure toughness of the Defiant, which was designed to tough it out. The cloaking device just happened to be an extra.
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Old August 5 2009, 06:34 AM   #5
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

Do games count?

If you want scenarios in games where the two could go head to head you've got:

Birth of the Federation: If the D'deridex has the 'free-turn' cloak advantage, it would go to the D'deridex. If not, both ships carry enough weapons to destroy each other in a single turn if they manage to fire them all off before being destroyed by the other.

Armada: D'deridex again, since it has the shields and hull to withstand the two pulse cannons, while being able to pound the destroyed sized Defiant in short order with disruptors and torpdoes. Even quicker if you add the technobabble special weapons for both. The opening intro does have a funky destruction of a Warbird by Worf's Defiant class though

Legacy: D'deridex yet again, since it has the all arc firepower to keep hitting a Defiant, even if the Defiant is able to get very close to reduce the ease of the Warbird getting a lock with multiple weapons. The Defiant however can get a very damaging opening salvo on the way in, but will in turn suffer a massive one in doing so.
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Old August 5 2009, 06:43 AM   #6
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

In BOTF, the D'deridex was the Soveriegn equivalent, so taking the cloaking advantage out of the equation, and all other things being equal (such as crew exp.), I'd still expect the Warbird to win.
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Old August 5 2009, 10:31 AM   #7
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

Very true, but the Defiant was an oddball in terms of not having any equivalents in any other races, by dint of being almost as advanced (or just as advanced, can't remember) as the Sovereign, and IIRC had sufficient firepower to wipe out even a Sovereign. The problem would mainly be the Defiant surviving long enough to fire all it's weapons before succumbing to the Warbird's firepower.
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Old August 5 2009, 01:16 PM   #8
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

I've got to vote Defiant.
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Old August 5 2009, 04:52 PM   #9
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

On the serious note, Defiant is my favorite Fed Ship, but I can't see how it can win without the hero factor.

The ship destroys small vessels and Cardassian cruisers. We never see them take on big ones and succeed. It takes on Lakota and struggles with it. It's easily destroyed by Dominion battleship. It runs away from Vor'cha. The Negh'var she defeats is mirror one, and their tech seems to be inferior, so I won't count that.

Warbird is a match for Galaxy-class which means massive shielding and allegedly more powerful disruptors. I just can't see one defiant defeating it without the crew outsmarting the other Romulan crew.
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Old August 5 2009, 07:01 PM   #10
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

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I say the Defiant is bloodied but wins b/c it has The Sisko and he makes liberal use of the QT's
If Tomalak was in command of the Warbird not even Sisko would stand a chance!
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Old August 5 2009, 09:58 PM   #11
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

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That makes the D'deridex look pathetic. If you're not directly in front of it, you're in no danger.
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Old August 6 2009, 01:36 AM   #12
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

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Then in the First Battle of Chin'toka a Warbird was knocked out of the fight in 3 second by the OWPs, while the Defiant kept trucking.
We never saw what really happened to that Warbird other than it took some hits. It kept flying on when the scene cut to another part of the battle. A Galaxy class took similar damage to the Warbird and kept firing phasers, too. If the Warbird was knocked out of the fight, it probably wasn't from the first three seconds.

Anyway, back to the battle, I wouldn't be surprised if the Defiant could dodge a Warbird's weapons systems. According to various print material, one advantage Starfleet has over the Romulan fleet is the invention of the phaser array, which leads me to believe that even a Warbird has a limited firing arc. It's not that maneuverable to begin with, surely there must be some blind spots on a ship with that much mass.

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Old August 6 2009, 02:01 AM   #13
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

Depends on which ship has Worf at tactical.
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Old August 6 2009, 02:25 AM   #14
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

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Then in the First Battle of Chin'toka a Warbird was knocked out of the fight in 3 second by the OWPs, while the Defiant kept trucking.
We never saw what really happened to that Warbird other than it took some hits. It kept flying on when the scene cut to another part of the battle. A Galaxy class took similar damage to the Warbird and kept firing phasers, too. If the Warbird was knocked out of the fight, it probably wasn't from the first three seconds.

Anyway, back to the battle, I wouldn't be surprised if the Defiant could dodge a Warbird's weapons systems. According to various print material, one advantage Starfleet has over the Romulan fleet is the invention of the phaser array, which leads me to believe that even a Warbird has a limited firing arc. It's not that maneuverable to begin with, surely there must be some blind spots on a ship with that much mass.

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I don't really see the need to go off games, when we have the warbird designer saying he gave her 10 disruptor banks, and they look like they have 360 degree firing arc + the big disruptor at the front, and several other weapon emplacements we see her firing from in the show. Her aft firing coverage is especially good with 4 banks able to fire straight aft, and two additional ones that can't cover the 6 o'clock spot, but can fire at 7 and 5 o'clock position. That's as good as galaxy class if you ask me, and way better than definat's aft fire.
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Old August 6 2009, 02:45 AM   #15
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Re: Fanboy Time: Straight up- Defiant vs Warbird-

The Defiant did take out a Dominion Battle Cruiser (not the heavy ship in Valiant) but the feared ship in the battle for DS9.

I've never been impressed w/the Warbirds on screen and I doubt seriously if the Warbirds hull could handle 2 or 3 flurries of QT's.

Superior manueuverability + ablative armor+QT's would equal a Defiant victory.

Here's the best Warbird vs Fed battle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvk3PgRQ5js
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