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Old June 13 2014, 12:49 PM   #46
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Re: Dark Matter and Dark Energy

The trouble with plasma cosmology is that it takes on aspects of a cult or a dodgy religion when you examine it closely.
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Old June 13 2014, 12:52 PM   #47
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Don't forget, also a conspiracy theory:

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(That's right, redshift has numerous mechanisms, but astronomers seem to be aware of only one. At least publicly.)
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Old June 13 2014, 12:58 PM   #48
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Re: Dark Matter and Dark Energy

Mathematics is the basis for all physics. If your physics is lacking the math to back it up, it's bad science--or rather, it's not science, just speculation if not outright crankery.

A quick google for "mathematical basis for plasma cosmology" turned up this winner:

While it is easy to be critical of the dominant role of mathematics in modern cosomology, this is not to say that math is unimportant. Far from it. The point is that empirical evidence should come first, and that mathematical modelling should follow to ensure some basis in reality. In other words, the role of mathematics should be ancillary, not dominant.
Yeah, math is just a pesky afterthought, not really necessary to the "theory"!
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Old June 13 2014, 12:59 PM   #49
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Yeah, those powerful, super-rich astronomers with their funny handshakes and secret cabals.
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Old June 13 2014, 01:01 PM   #50
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They told me it was a secret handshake but it turned out it was just harassment.
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Old June 13 2014, 03:32 PM   #51
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What I find disturbing is that astronomers and astrophysicists are spending billions and billions on large telescope projects. Where did they get billions and billions of dollars? Was it from controlling large sectors of the economy, such as the diamond sector (which is star stuff), or do they have complete control of several Western nations, profiting from quasi-legal trade in all sorts of otherwise illicit goods and services? Nobody can quite explain how a gaggle of university professors can cough up ten billion for a space telescope, even if they are tenured. Obviously, most of the skyrocketing costs of a college education is probably going directly into the pockets of the astronomy professors.
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Old June 13 2014, 11:21 PM   #52
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The trouble with plasma cosmology is that it takes on aspects of a cult or a dodgy religion when you examine it closely.
So far you haven't addressed any of the science. All you do is fling insults. As for "cult or dodgy religion," one could easily say the same for the dogmatic defense of the Big Bang. Some proponents seem almost desperate to prove the theory—which would account for the premature announcement recently about polarized light being due to gravity waves from the Big Bang, and then the sudden withdrawal of the claim.

Also, mainstream astronomy routinely spawns theories that violate known physics, such as neutron stars. These bizarre beasts usually boil down to one flawed assumption, in the case of neutron stars it is the assumption that pulsars are rotating like a lighthouse.

I, at least, have never claimed that plasma cosmology is the answer to everything. If you have any specific arguments you'd like to make from your close examinations—no straw man arguments, please—I'd be happy to hear it. Science thrives on ideas being tested.
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Old June 14 2014, 06:30 AM   #53
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Old June 14 2014, 07:51 AM   #54
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Frankly, we're way off topic.
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Old June 18 2014, 05:40 AM   #55
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Frankly, we're way off topic.
I'm just saddened that the one man on this thread capable of enlightening us ignorants doesn't want to.

I'll stand by my belief with my current knowledge that Dark Matter and Dark Energy are simply a theory similar to the Aether (trying to fit observations with current established theories) and that most likely one day it will be replaced with a better theory, as the Aether did.
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Old June 18 2014, 10:27 AM   #56
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How can I enlighten you when neither I nor anyone else knows the answer. There are no definitive experimental results. I favour certain theories as being more likely and I have prejudices against certain explanations -- such as plasma cosmology because of its lack of mathematical exposition and the attitude of its "true believers" -- but my unsubstantiated opinions are of no use to anyone else.
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