USS Vengeance - design build?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Lyon_Wonder, Sep 13, 2013.

  1. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    Uh, yes the entire Xindi incident was caused by intervention from the future.

    The 26th century Sphere Builders told the Xindi that Humans were out to kill them, and in the future would destroy their planet, a complete lie so that they could use the Xindi as slave labour to build the Spheres and create the Expanse, altering the past.

    That did not happen in the original timeline.
     
  2. The Wormhole

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    But that does not make it part of the TCW.

    Besides, all Mr. Daniels said was that it was it was not part of his original timeline. But even back when Enterprise was in production it was a popular theory that he was not from the Prime timeline.
     
  3. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Which is wrong. They had to have gotten from Romulus to the Neutral Zone. Whatever they were using for FTL either wasn't fired up or unrecognizable to the Enterprise sensors.

    Plus, their ship had freaking warp nacelles.
     
  4. OpenMaw

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    It had nacelles, yes, but we don't know that they're "warp" engines. Just like the TOS shuttle doesn't apparently have warp capability.
     
  5. The Wormhole

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    According to the novels they were meeting with a warp capable mother ship. Yeah, I know, not canon, but how else can you explain it?
     
  6. BillJ

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    I just did...

     
  7. Kemaiku

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    Yes they do actually. In The Menagerie, the shuttle chased the Enterprise at warp for several light years before exhausting their fuel. It burns up their deuterium supply when sustained for a few hours, but they can do it.
     
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  8. M'Sharak

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    Your attempt to move the goalposts fails to do anything to render your earlier remark less lame.
     
  9. Mountie1988

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    You imply logic and thoughtful scriptwriting where none exists.
     
  10. anotherdemon

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    It seems just like a class of ship designed for a response to the dangers of the galaxy and the predicted war/s -- the model was on display for everyone to see after all, and even if it truly was a secret build (everyone opposed Marcus' plans, which is unrealistic), he could still display a proposed design.

    After several Federation ships were destroyed by Narada over Vulcan (not to mention Vulcan dying and Earth close to it -- the main reasons), it was probably easier for the brass with more realistic views on the galaxy to at least get a dedicated warship built. People would be asking Starfleet many questions over why they couldn't stop Vulcan from dying, and how can they stop it from happening again -- people opposed to the building of dedicated warships would start to face a lot of opposition, and rightly so.

    The Federation without "heroes" to win the day and "gods" to blink away the bad would last all of...several years until something like the Husnock or Borg came along. Well, that's how the stories go; the human "will" and "ideal" wins in the end rather than what humans see as "bad" (war and conquest based on might, which actually is what wins in the real world, but this is fiction).
     
  11. James

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    It has been vaguely hinted that the Vengeance was a prototype starship meant for experimentation, basically the USS Excelsior. They can always try retconning, that's the cheap way to right a wrong.