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Old October 4 2013, 03:02 PM   #16
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Re: Could the Borg assimilate The Founders?

If Section 31 could figure out a way to attack the Founders at a cellular level getting past their ability to shift form to repair themselves I think the Borg could find a way.
Hell, even the Cardassians had a device to force the Founders to remain in a particular form despite the need to regenerate.
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Old October 4 2013, 03:16 PM   #17
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Re: Could the Borg assimilate The Founders?

But when the Founders are in liquid state, they have no cells to assimilate. So if the Borg tried to take advantage of that, it wouldn't help much.
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Old October 4 2013, 04:11 PM   #18
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Re: Could the Borg assimilate The Founders?

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As said, if the founders were merely fog, rocks, fire (as opposed to being complex beings masquerading as fog, rocks, etc), the founders would not be able to think, act, etc.
When a Founder masquerades as something, it is completely indistinguishable from that thing. I can only assume, then if one of them changes into something that has no cells, like water or fog, then there would be nothing for the Borg nanoprobes to 'lock on' to.

If a Founder is posing as a human, and is attacked by a Borg, then they would have plenty of time to shape shift into something that could resist assimilation.
A tricorder can't tell the difference between a rock and a transformed founder. That does not mean the founder is merely a rock.
Indeed, the mind of the founder is still there, masquerading as a rock; his body is still there, ready to change shape; all this is biology - or half biology/half technology, etc. The nanoprobes can lock on just fine to these.

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But when the Founders are in liquid state, they have no cells to assimilate. So if the Borg tried to take advantage of that, it wouldn't help much.
S31's virus had no problem attacking founders when they were in the liquid state.
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Old October 4 2013, 04:15 PM   #19
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If Section 31 could figure out a way to attack the Founders at a cellular level getting past their ability to shift form to repair themselves I think the Borg could find a way.
Hell, even the Cardassians had a device to force the Founders to remain in a particular form despite the need to regenerate.
Romulans.
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Old October 4 2013, 04:21 PM   #20
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^ they did have that organic matter eating thalaron weapon.

As to the OP: I say no. I think it would go as well as the Borg's attempt to assimilate Species 8472.
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Old October 4 2013, 04:25 PM   #21
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S31's virus had no problem attacking founders when they were in the liquid state.
But we have no idea how, specifically, that virus worked.

The Borg, on the other hand, use well known methods of assimilation. They use nanoprobes which lock onto cells and transform them. Without cells, they won't work.
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Old October 4 2013, 04:34 PM   #22
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S31's virus had no problem attacking founders when they were in the liquid state.
But we have no idea how, specifically, that virus worked.

The Borg, on the other hand, use well known methods of assimilation. They use nanoprobes which lock onto cells and transform them. Without cells, they won't work.
Borg nanoprobes assimilate biology AND technology. They don't need cells in order to assimilate.
Also, considering the technological distance between the federation and the borg, it's a virtual certainty the borg assimilated medical tech on par with the federation's/S31's.

PS - I see you remained with no counterarguments for ~'the founder is a rock' discussion.
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Old October 4 2013, 04:37 PM   #23
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Borg nanoprobes even have trouble with Denobulans. How could they possibly stand a chance against something that can just eject them at will from their "body"?
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Old October 7 2013, 04:39 AM   #24
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Personally if they'd make a confrontation Id rather enjoy it more if the Borg couldn't assimilate the Founders. But it would be quite a rough fight none the less. If the borg would get the technology the cardassians have to prevent them from changing.

And other then that, the Borg have lots of technology. I think the founders advantage would be the element of surprise and creativity, the borg are pretty simplistic when it comes to fights.
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