Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

Now that, I think, is getting closer to the truth than others in the Skye corner. Because another aspect of Skye's particularly obnoxious behavior in this episode is that she suddenly had major issues with May...which might have made sense if she knew about May and Ward, but we were given no indication that she did.

Wow...the specialness of her specialness overwhelms me.

It's the kind of insight that anyone might have if they'd been the only one on the team who'd actually met the guy at that point.

You're also conveniently leaving out how, in her first scene with him, she was encouraging him to become a super-hero, which actually fed his power-induced delusions of grandeur, making him dangerous.

Coulson's main reason for recruiting Skye at that point may have been to keep her off the streets.

I'd refer to that character as "the Watson."

 

This kind of undermines your point, doesn't it? It suggests she isn't all that special and isn't very good at things. I thought your point was that she was unrealistically special and good at things.

 

My point is that she's treated as if she's more special than she has actually proven to be. Coulson gives her trophies just for showing up.

 

And we come right back down to the creators so far not having the courage to put her in a situation where she's completely in the wrong / jeopardizes the mission and it isn't sugar-coated at the end.

Somehow I've become seen as the model Skye-hater around these parts, when I was giving her every benefit of the doubt prior to this episode. This episode turned the tide for me because of just how obnoxiously the character was portrayed (complete with getting a pat on the head at the end for her obnoxiousness).

 

So you find nothing lacking in the execution/realization of this character thus far?

 

Alright, I'm going to bow out of this conversation now, but you'd have to admit that this is very, very far from the definition of Mary Sue. "Overrated from an in-universe perspective" perhaps, but that doesn't strike me as meaning much.

We're about ten episodes in, so there's certainly still a possibility of that. It's still early. They might not simply because they did something very similar to that in The Girl With the Flower Dress (and it wasn't sugarcoated at the end, imo), so they may not want to look like they're repeating things.

 

That's a rather offensive generalization to make in response to a direct, harmless question that was, in fact, attempting to evoke some grayness concerning your own opinion of the character. "Black and white", in my book, would be unconditionally defending a character as if she were above criticism.

I find a discussion more interesting...and honest...if people are willing to concede a point once in a while, as I did in response to kitik's evaluation of Skye's role in the episode. If you have some items on your "cons" list for Skye, feel free to share.

I thought we were well past the back and forth about the use of the term "Mary Sue". I conceded a couple of times in previous posts that the term didn't fit her.

 

No, I didn't get that, I just thought you had a slightly different definition. I said from the beginning that her greatest weakness is that she isn't as useful as other characters. I'm not sure how we ended up down this rabbit hole if we agreed on this.