The Daily Show Without Jon Stewart

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Mojochi, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Location:
    Trekker4747
    Yeah, he would have been pretty good. He seems to have a good "energy level" for it, too.
     
  2. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Location:
    JirinPanthosa
    Aasif Mandvi would have been the best choice of the long-tenure correspondents. But I kind of like the idea of having a host who can talk about the news from a non-'America first' perspective. We never get that.
     
  3. Mr. Adventure

    Mr. Adventure Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2001
    Location:
    Mr. Adventure
    I do think it will be easier for the targets of The Daily Show to marginalize the rebuffs when they come from one they can paint as an outsider.
     
  4. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    Oregon
    I'd be a lot more sympathetic to that line of thinking if we were discussing a Daily Show of, say, Portugal or Turkmenistan. But seeing as how US policies profoundly affect the whole world, I don't have any inherent bias against hearing a voice or two from the rest of said world answer back now and then, maybe even especially if they're not from the British Isles.
     
  5. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Why so serious?

    Us politics is a side show for our amusement.

    Compared to a 40 year long nuclear arms race threatening global annihilation, everything else since then is cake.
     
  6. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2005
    Sometimes, an "outside" observer can zero in and provide insight on points that those "inside" take for granted, or can't see for the trees. Alistair Cooke made a 50 year career of it. I do think, though, that tone is key. Someone who sounds judgmental or condescending won't be very successful along that line, I think.
     
  7. CaptainCanada

    CaptainCanada Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2004
    Location:
    Charlottetown, PEI, Canada
    You'd rather not live in a much safer society? As to the latter point, as much as they want? You do realize Britain has freedom of the press, right?
     
  8. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    The British Tabloids has far too much freedom.

    So, Jessica has the Front seat by 2025?

    Good for her. :D
     
  9. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Location:
    JirinPanthosa
    So I take it you turn the TV off in disgust any time Jon Stewart criticizes Vladmir Putin?

    If a person has a clever observation about American culture, I don't give two shits what country they came from. America needs to stop covering its ears and closing its eyes to any external perspectives. It's true he doesn't have the personal experience growing up in America that has shaped Jon Stewart's point of view and emotions. He has a different, unique perspective and point of view on American culture, and it's not any more or less valid than Jon Stewart's.
     
  10. SPCTRE

    SPCTRE Badass Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Location:
    SPCTRE
    We saw You Laugh But It's True on Netflix the other day (the documentary about Trevor Noah).

    That guy is good. Seems likeable.
     
  11. EmoBorg

    EmoBorg Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2012
    Location:
    in the 10 dimensions of reality
    I don't think Trevor Noah will last long as Stewart's replacement. Piers Morgan took over Larry King's place at CNN and see what happened. A non American hosting and giving his views about American politics on a cable show is not gonna still well with a lot of people on the right.

    If Noah could focus the show on more international politics, then perhaps it could work as John Oliver is doing that angle right now on his show.

    I think Aasif Mandvi should have been the logical choice for the Daily Show.
     
  12. Venardhi

    Venardhi Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Location:
    The Great Wide Somewhere
    Aasif doesn't have the interest. He is an actor first.
     
  13. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Which may be why he was on Person of Interest yesterday.

    Did Jason leave because they didn't give him the job?
     
  14. Chilli

    Chilli Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2001
    Location:
    Vienna, Austria
    JirinPanthosa and others have already addressed what a silly and counterproductive "waaaah, foreigners have opinions, this offends me" is, but I did want to still underline this:

    :rolleyes:

    Trevor Noah and John Oliver are from South Africa and the UK, not North Korea and Djibouti. Both their native countries score better in international comparisons on freedom of press than the US does. They're both free to make as much fun of their presidents, monarchs, governments etc. as they like, and still visit their countries of origin safely. In fact, they both have a history of doing just that.
     
  15. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    First the Late Late Show, then Top Gear, now the Daily Show.
     
  16. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    Oregon
    :rommie:
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Mr. Adventure

    Mr. Adventure Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2001
    Location:
    Mr. Adventure
    It's hard to think of an outside perspective having the outrage and indignation which elevates the show beyond just satirical observations. When I watch TDS, I feel that in addition to being funny and entertaining that they are trying to really illuminate and expose the issues not just comment on them. Maybe I'm putting Stewart on a pedestal but I want someone who is just as feverish not just one who sees things in a new light. I feel John Oliver brings that on his HBO show, maybe Trevor Noah will as well but I'm skeptical.
     
  18. Mojochi

    Mojochi Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2007
    Now Sam Bee is gone too. It's like an exodus of the old. Al Madrigal finally showed up this week. I think he should've been the replacement. He is the person I find most personable & appealing of that entire group. Everyone has underestimated the importance of that factor.

    Stewart, if for no other reason, has won that audience because he is magnificently likeable. He's not a tremendous comedic talent. His standup was mediocre at best. His skills as an actor are ridiculous. He makes NO claim of credibility as a newsman. He's intelligent, reputable, wholly unpretentious, and he has blazed his path on sheer likeability

    Even many people who hate everything he stands for still like him. I don't feel that vibe happening with Trevor Noah. I got a bad feeling he's going to come off pretentiously
     
  19. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Location:
    Trekker4747
    Well, when Jason Jones left a couple weeks ago I figured Sam Bee couldn't be far behind since they're married. I had forgotten some of Sam's (and even Jason's) better segments.

    I still worry, too, whether or not Trevor is going to give us what Jon has over the last 15 years or whatever it's been. Wait and see, I guess.
     
  20. Venardhi

    Venardhi Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Location:
    The Great Wide Somewhere
    I think anyone with an accent trying to tell Americans what they're doing wrong is going to come off as pretentious for a lot of the casual viewers whose politics may not align so closely with the show, no matter how likable that person is. Oliver gets plenty of flack for that on his current show and did during his brief tenure as host of TDS, and you can see how they tweaked the writing as the summer went on to account for it.

    You're missing an important factor in why Stewart has become such a beloved personality though. He speaks his mind and speaks it with passion. Even during book-tour promotional interviews he is more than willing to (respectfully) go for the throat when faced with someone who is clearly less than honest or promoting political philosophy he finds distasteful or idiotic.