Christopher Nolan will give Brandon Routh a screentest

Superman Returns world wide $391 million (Cost US $209 million)
Batman Begins world wide $372 million (Cost US $150 million)

SR deserved a sequel.

 

The one thing Superman Returns badly needed was a great fight scene. Audiences these days have been a little spoiled and they all expect to see awesome fight scenes from their superhero movies. During the movie, Lex should have put on Kryptonian armor and had a fist fight with Superman. They should have punched each other through buildings near the end of the movie or something.

Think Matrix Revoluions, but without the bad dialogue from Neo.

 

Superman should have wrassled a giant spider.

 

The budget for SR was bloated...and yes Superman has to throw a punch...why Singer/writers didn't get this....I don't know. I have read on here before some people don't think a Superman needs action...but for real...it does. JMHO.

 

Wait a minute...how can it be a great script and not realized by the director when the script was his own story pitch? Harris and Dougherty wrote the script by the story was pitched by Bryan himself. That comment doesn't make any sense.

As for Brandon Routh can't act...disagree totally. He was fantastic in the small comedic role he had in "Zack and Miri Make a Porno" , I enjoyed his performances in "Chuck" last season and he looks outstanding in the small clips I've seen him in "Scott Pilgrim Vs the World" as Todd Ingram. He was fine as Clark Kent and Superman. He portrayed Clark more than he did Superman because the story was about Clark returning to the life that he had abandoned in a search that proved to be futile and a trick by Luthor to lure Superman away. I would love for Brandon to return as Superman if possible (I doubt this will happen and Nolan will cast someone else) and if it doesn't happen then as I've said in other threads I'd like to see Matthew Bomer get the role.

 

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Out of all the names brought up...Routh or Welling or someone new...Bomer or Hamm...I don't see it. JMHO.

 

I thought Routh was great as Clark, but I didn't care all that much for his Superman. Some of his delivery just seemed... off. I could see if they were going for something where he was having trouble readjusting to being Superman or dealing with people after his return, but he had no problem slipping back into being Clark Kent at the Planet, and his Superman never improved, so I just have to chalk it up to a less than stellar performance.

Still, I'd be perfectly willing to give him another shot.

I also thought Dean Cain was a much better Clark Kent than he was Superman. He just never seemed all that comfortable in the suit, while his Clark felt much more natural. In fact, Cain's Clark, modeled I believe on the more confident John Byrne version, I thought was actually quite good. If that's the kind of Clark they want to go for in the new one, I say bring it on.

 

Agreed about Dean Cain.

 

Is this true? i have Superman Returns, but I don't remember this.

 

It makes perfect sense, and I am in total agreement with Admiral James Kirk. Bryan Singer indeed conceived the story but he did not write the script. Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty wrote the script. No matter how involved you are in the development of the story, when you write the script it takes a completely different turn. As the industry saying goes, a good director can take a mediocre script and make it compelling and a bad director can take a good script and turn it into shit.

In this instance I think Singer had too much closeness with the material, if that makes sense. I've read Harris and Dougherty's script and it is indeed fantastic. However, during the shooting and editing of the film Singer made some pretty radical changes like cutting out Superman's trip to Krypton (which was an $8 million sequence) and re-arranging some things editorially that made the film less about Superman's return to a world he abandoned and more about his relationship with Lois Lane.

I've had some experience creating a story and then directing it based on a script that I didn't write, and you can absolutely lose perspective. It's very possible. I think Singer was too emotionally attached to the story he was telling and he got side-tracked during the making of the film. Singer even comments on this in interviews how he reshaped the film during editing. He's also the kind of director that comes up with new ideas on the fly and I think Superman Returns was one case where this ideology worked against him.

I say this as a staunch supporter of Superman Returns as well.

 

Sadly, this is one of the elements that didn't make it into the final cut of the picture. I'm not sure what was shot and what wasn't, but in the script, Luthor had managed to pay off some astronomers, or faked some evidence or something and that was what convinced Superman to go off in search of Krypton. I haven't read it in a while, so my memory is fuzzy.

 

Exactly. That is just one of the story elements that Singer removed that should have been left in the film. As is, Superman's departure from Earth is a little hazy and isn't given much thought. In fact, the whole idea of the film feels like an afterthought because Singer spends so much time with Superman pining or mourning over Lois.

That story element, had it been kept in, would have strengthened the film and given Superman's dynamic with Lex Luthor a little bit more punch. Hell, it would have made Spacey's Luthor more of a threatening villain and not the Gene Hackman carbon copy he was in the film.

 

While Superman Returns budget was fairly normal for a movie its type it also got saddled with all of the aborted attempts at a Superman movie over the past decade. The Tim Burton nightmare with Nicholas Cage, the spandex and tubing suit with the throwing-star S-Shield and robotic spiders? S:R had to pay for it, including to buy Cage out of his contract. The Kevin Smith stabs at at? Returns had to pay for it.

Returns while by itself did good, when you add on all of the premature ejaculations over the last decade it didn't do so hot so it's "failure" was not its own but of the studio's stupidity.

 

Alan Horn said he expected Superman Returns to make around $500 million globally and the executives were disappointed when it didn't. Of course, Horn also said that if Returns passed the $200 million mark domestically it would be guaranteed a sequel, and of course that didn't pan out.

I think a few things Batman Begins had going for it that Superman Returns didn't was: smaller budget (even the production budget was smaller comparatively even if you exclude the miscellaneous costs from previously aborted productions), more favorable fan reaction and more critical acclaim. Warner Bros. probably also expected Superman Returns to make more simply based on expectations. Superman is often considered a much more popular superhero than Batman so I'm sure Warner Bros. thought it would do a lot more, and when it didn't, they became cautious over proceeding with a sequel.

Regardless of the technicalities involved, Horn admitted Superman Returns needed more action sequences and Jeff Robonov said it didn't quite position Superman in the way they were intending. So clearly they saw it as a failure on multiple levels which influenced their decision not to proceed with a sequel.

It's unfortunate, since I do think Singer could have delivered a strong and better sequel, but I'm interested in the film Chris Nolan and David Goyer might be able to deliver. On the plus side, Bryan Singer has returned to the X-Men universe where admittedly I think he's better suited.

 

Hopefully we will get a great film from Nolan/Goyer...Once Clark Kent/Superman is cast and more detail of the film comes out the better people will feel.

 

Routh as Superman and Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Lois

 

And Edward Furlong circa. 1991 as an older Jason White?

 

Judging by that photo, I wouldn't mind Winstead as Lois Lane.

 

That's a pretty cool Scott Pilgrim promo pic! Romana, Todd, and Wallace! My pick for Lois is Zooey Deschanel but base on that pic Mary would be okay.

 

All 3...Superman, Lois & Jimmy.