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Old May 27 2014, 04:29 AM   #76
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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Certainly. With the Dominion war, the Maquis on board, having Seven and the Doctor as unique as they were, there would be a host of dramatic turns they could have taken with the ship getting back to the Alpha Quadrant.
The DS9 writers wouldn't have wanted them back while DS9 was still on so they couldn't interfere. So it would have to be after the war.

And even then, that's just one season's worth of stuff even if it were drawn out (the whole resettling back in the AQ thing and introducing Seven).

Look at all the other "Lost Ship" series of the last 40 years worth remembering: Blakes' Seven, Farscape, LEXX, NuBSG.

All barely made it to 4 seasons. Because that's all the "Lost Ship" thing is good for AT MOST.
Most shows don't last more than 4 or 5 years unless they are crime or medical dramas. That's no fault of a lost ship drama. Your opinion trying to masquerade as fact doesn't make it so. As for what DS9 wanted, that would be up to the show runners who were the folks producing Voyager. So your opinion of what they would have wanted is just that, opinion, not fact.
The "Lost Ship" thing isn't even sustainable for more than 2 seasons either. All those other shows more or less dropped the "Lost Ship" thing after one season for something else, or had something else as the major plot right from day one (cause the writers knew it wasn't sustainable otherwise).

VOY needed more to the plot than "Lost Ship" either from day one or after a season or so.

And they had one, the 8472 invasion and their war with the Borg. That's a series-driving plot.
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Old May 27 2014, 04:50 AM   #77
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

You're forgetting the reset button.

The most that they sustained this story was 4 or 5 weeks.

Well under your deadline.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooo much filler.
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Old May 27 2014, 05:51 AM   #78
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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Berman walks into the DS9 writers room a month before DS9s season 7 final scripts have to be handed in.

Berman "I want the Dominion War. Give it to me."

Ira "You want the Dominion War?"

Berman "You work for me bitch."

Ira "We have a plan and it's going to be wonderful."

Berman "I forgot I was producing this turd till yesterday. How about your Dominion fires off a lucky shot, blows up your rinky dink station, and then Janeway and Voyager come out of, what was it called "the wormhole" to really start saving the day and winning the war. Yeah?"
That sounds like a very believable scenario.

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The DS9 writers wouldn't have wanted them back while DS9 was still on so they couldn't interfere. So it would have to be after the war.

And even then, that's just one season's worth of stuff even if it were drawn out (the whole resettling back in the AQ thing and introducing Seven).

Look at all the other "Lost Ship" series of the last 40 years worth remembering: Blakes' Seven, Farscape, LEXX, NuBSG.

All barely made it to 4 seasons. Because that's all the "Lost Ship" thing is good for AT MOST.
Most shows don't last more than 4 or 5 years unless they are crime or medical dramas. That's no fault of a lost ship drama. Your opinion trying to masquerade as fact doesn't make it so. As for what DS9 wanted, that would be up to the show runners who were the folks producing Voyager. So your opinion of what they would have wanted is just that, opinion, not fact.
The "Lost Ship" thing isn't even sustainable for more than 2 seasons either. All those other shows more or less dropped the "Lost Ship" thing after one season for something else, or had something else as the major plot right from day one (cause the writers knew it wasn't sustainable otherwise).

VOY needed more to the plot than "Lost Ship" either from day one or after a season or so.

And they had one, the 8472 invasion and their war with the Borg. That's a series-driving plot.
The show worked for seven in spite of your opinion. Whether you thought it worked is irrelevant, it worked for the producers and a lot of fans, too. Your opinion, however much you want to pretend it's a fact, doesn't change that.
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Old May 27 2014, 06:16 AM   #79
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

Thinking....

1995 Michael Piller Jeri Taylor
1996 Michael Piller Jeri Taylor
1997 Jeri Taylor
1998 Jeri Taylor Brannon Braga
1999 Brannon Braga
2000 Brannon Braga Kenneth Biller -
2001 Kenneth Biller -

Hmmm?

If you were an orphan and this was a list of people who you called mum and dad dragging you to their home from the orphanage to settle down forever with?

(not because of who they are, but because of how easily they abandon you.)

You'd probably have grown up to be a stripper.
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Old May 27 2014, 07:14 AM   #80
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

It wouldn't have made any difference if they were in another galaxy or another dimension for seven years.
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Old May 27 2014, 08:16 AM   #81
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

What happened in the Odyssey is that Neptune had a hard on to fuck with Odysseus, and kept raising ridiculous winds that always blew in the wrong direction quite fast, wouldn't let his ship go home.

Imagine if Caretaker was Seven years from Federation space, but every week Janeway would have a cocked up bassackwards adventure that would add another 5 to 20 years on to the trip home.
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Old May 27 2014, 05:32 PM   #82
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

The Odyssey wouldn't work as a long-term TV series either, there's only enough material there for a mini-series.
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Old May 27 2014, 09:02 PM   #83
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Are you doubting Homer's vision?
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Old May 28 2014, 05:17 PM   #84
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Homer never would've wanted anyone to drag the Odyssey on and on and on. That's why his version isn't even that long either.
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Old May 28 2014, 05:36 PM   #85
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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Are you doubting Homer's vision?
Well, yeah, since he might have been blind.
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Old May 28 2014, 09:20 PM   #86
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Homer never would've wanted anyone to drag the Odyssey on and on and on. That's why his version isn't even that long either.
The siege at Troy lasted ten years and return home took 20 years. Meanwhile, I've seen a couple editions of this book you could choke a donkey with.

It's big and goes on for fucking ever..

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Well, yeah, since he might have been blind.
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Old May 28 2014, 11:01 PM   #87
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Yeah, and most of those 10 years of Siege and 20 years of travel is glossed over in like a paragraph. Mainly because overly extrapolating things is pretty boring, and even Homer knew this over 1000 years ago.
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Old May 29 2014, 12:42 AM   #88
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

Harry, and a couple of the other really new officer must have thought for the first couple weeks, that the entire Delta Quadrant adventure must have been a follow up on their psych testing by Starfleet.

Forgive me, was Voyager 830,000 hours long?

Not it wasn't.

Ihey just showed up the most interesting 115 hours.
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Old June 11 2014, 05:01 AM   #89
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Wait. DQ?

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Old June 11 2014, 07:25 AM   #90
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There's soft serve in that quadrant!
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