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Old August 24 2014, 10:49 AM   #46
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Re: Pitch your alternative to 'Shades of Grey'

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Yeah ,it's like I said above, one of "Shades of Gray"'s biggest troubles is that two seasons (only 48 episodes!) just isn't enough material to assemble a good clip show out of. The problem isn't necessarily with a clip show in itself, it's the general lack of material to source from. Now, if the clip show had only been made in Season 4 or Season 5, on the other hand...

This is why Mojochi's idea is such a good one. For better or worse, Wesley was one of the most developed characters in those first couple seasons, so at least making the threat about him would've opened up the options a little. Riker had seen some development, but to be honest it wasn't anything to write home about.
Not to mention the Wesley idea makes some narrative sense. Picard reflecting on Wesley's time on the ship, some of the instances being Wesley in danger due to Picard making Wesley an "acting Ensign"/an unofficial member of the crew.

That makes a lot more sense than "bore an alien virus with bad memories."
Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.
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Old August 24 2014, 02:07 PM   #47
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Re: Pitch your alternative to 'Shades of Grey'

It has got me thinking, I wonder if Season 4's "The Drumhead" might have actually worked as originally conceived as a clip show?

Not only would the burden of the episode be on Patrick Stewart's shoulders, immediately lifting the episode for obvious reasons, but also having four seasons worth of episodes to source clips from would have meant a broader selection of material to choose. Which means more variety (and, potentially, a better episode overall).

Where a clip show didn't quite work in Season Two, it might have worked in Season Four.

Of course, we will never know, as the script was rejigged to avoid having to use clips from past episodes. Successfully I might add. But this discussion has got me pondering the path not taken.....
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Old August 24 2014, 06:45 PM   #48
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As a clip show I think Drumhead would have come off more like the B plot of 'Coming of Age'. Instead of getting the McCarthyism parallel, it would come off as just some jerk being a dick to our heroes.
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Old August 25 2014, 03:48 AM   #49
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Yeah, though I think a clip show would have gone over better in S4 than S2, I really think The Drumhead works best as is
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Old August 26 2014, 08:35 PM   #50
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Re: Pitch your alternative to 'Shades of Grey'

Has anyone here watched any of SFDebris' reviews? He did one for Shades of Grey and throughout his review gave a few ideas of his own on how this episode could have been different while still maintaining an extremely short budget.

SFDebris "Shades of Gray"

Some of his ideas.
1. "Updated version of the Menagerie. A holodeck recreation of events from Enterprise's travels to reach some serious conclusion. Like a Starfleet inquiry or an investigation into whether or not if someone deserves a promotion. There's even room for Picard to give a speech, and we all know how much he loves doing that."

2. "A character is trapped in a maze of their own mind by a malevolent force. They have to relive past events in order to achieve 'such and so'."

3. "Similar to the last one, but it's about Data as crew members question what he's done and whether it was all the wrong things only to reveal in the end that it's all Lore who's tapping into Data and trying to use the memories to get compromising info on Starfleet. Lore means you don't need to have another actor to play the villain. And the memories are double edged because the memories of those experiences encourages Data to try to resist.
He even suggests the idea of using old clips and splicing them together with new ones in order to throw the audience off on whether what they saw was new or not.
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