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Old August 23 2014, 08:57 PM   #106
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Re: Titan series: In your face Diverse???

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It's not the first try, though. I established in Ex Machina that the refit NCC-1701's unusually diverse crew (compared to what we saw in TOS and in later movies)
Unless its a novel by Diane Duane.

was the result of a conscious effort on Will Decker's part to increase crew diversity in Starfleet.
Which you wouldn't know by watching the movie since it doesn't really treat the TMP crew composition as unusual.

And kind of a weird assumption about TOS to make what with all the aliens that were indistinguishable from humans (Including Klingons !)

Not to mention the whole TMP feeling like a big budget revisioning of TOS what with the Enterprise, uniforms, and crew composition being majorly changed, along with the Klingons suddenly looking a whole lot different. Plus Roddenberry's whole trying to recont TOS in the TMP novelization.

Plus the lack of aliens on the TOS Enterprise is odd when comparing to the later development of the universe.

In Season 1 it wasn't too odd becuase the Enterprise was an earth ship as the federation was only created by the show runners near the end of the season.

And after that its a question of how the federation is supposed to work. Is it a space nation or a space UN?

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Old August 23 2014, 10:27 PM   #107
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Re: Titan series: In your face Diverse???

Turns out I was a little off on that quote.

Source: Prisoners of Gravity, first 5 minutes.
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Old August 23 2014, 10:46 PM   #108
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And after that its a question of how the federation is supposed to work. Is it a space nation or a space UN?
The books have come down firmly on the side of "interstellar state" rather than "space U.N."
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Old August 23 2014, 10:52 PM   #109
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And after that its a question of how the federation is supposed to work. Is it a space nation or a space UN?
The books have come down firmly on the side of "interstellar state" rather than "space U.N."
largely I think becuase the TNG era and other later productions went with interstellar state.
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Old August 23 2014, 10:57 PM   #110
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And after that its a question of how the federation is supposed to work. Is it a space nation or a space UN?
The books have come down firmly on the side of "interstellar state" rather than "space U.N."
largely I think becuase the TNG era and other later productions went with interstellar state.
I mean, I think the "space U.N." ship sailed when Star Trek IV introduced the Federation President, and when Star Trek VI made the Federation President into Space George H.W. Bush dealing with the Space Berlin Wall coming down.
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Old August 24 2014, 03:31 AM   #111
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The books have come down firmly on the side of "interstellar state" rather than "space U.N."
largely I think becuase the TNG era and other later productions went with interstellar state.
I mean, I think the "space U.N." ship sailed when Star Trek IV introduced the Federation President,
Okay point there, but still later than TOS.

and when Star Trek VI made the Federation President into Space George H.W. Bush dealing with the Space Berlin Wall coming down.
Aka during the same time as TNG's fifth season airing on tv.
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Old August 24 2014, 09:09 AM   #112
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was the result of a conscious effort on Will Decker's part to increase crew diversity in Starfleet.
Which you wouldn't know by watching the movie since it doesn't really treat the TMP crew composition as unusual.
It stands out because suddenly we have Saurian, Arcturian and Rhaandarite crewmembers. There's no need to point out "Our ship has been fitted with shiny new Saurians."

Concerning the assumption that background Humans were really Human-lookalikes: I'm sure some of then were Ardanans or so, but most of the times when a random crewmember was named, he or she turned out to be Anglo-American. (Doesn't rule out aliens changing their names, like Calhoun.)
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Old August 24 2014, 07:36 PM   #113
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was the result of a conscious effort on Will Decker's part to increase crew diversity in Starfleet.
Which you wouldn't know by watching the movie since it doesn't really treat the TMP crew composition as unusual.
It stands out because suddenly we have Saurian, Arcturian and Rhaandarite crewmembers. There's no need to point out "Our ship has been fitted with shiny new Saurians."

Concerning the assumption that background Humans were really Human-lookalikes: I'm sure some of then were Ardanans or so, but most of the times when a random crewmember was named, he or she turned out to be Anglo-American. (Doesn't rule out aliens changing their names, like Calhoun.)
And for a decent amount of time the Enterprise belonged to the United Earth Space Probe Agency. And the federation didn't come into being until about the END of season 1. And even after then it wasn't til the movies and TNG that they finalized anything about the federation.

It seems trek fans seem to forget that the Star Trek universe wasn't some complete spanning thing when TOS first ran and was in fact made up as it went along.
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Old August 26 2014, 08:07 PM   #114
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And for a decent amount of time the Enterprise belonged to the United Earth Space Probe Agency. And the federation didn't come into being until about the END of season 1. And even after then it wasn't til the movies and TNG that they finalized anything about the federation.

It seems trek fans seem to forget that the Star Trek universe wasn't some complete spanning thing when TOS first ran and was in fact made up as it went along.
True, but what about the USS Voyager crew manifest? There were a few aliens, but the crew was mostly Human.
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I think it makes sense that crew diversity is a challenge because of different species' sleep cycles. I doubt Starfleet encourages addiction to sleep drugs.
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