Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus?

WesleysDisciple · February 17 2013, 03:21 AM

Almost everyone I know of whos commented, SFdebris, Most other reviewers, etc, etc etc, etc etc, etc Seems to HATE what happened At the end of "Paradise

any ideas on what should have happened to Alixus?

Heres my theory.

They should have shoved her in the box, and welded it shut with a phaser, and listened to her screaming until she dies begging for Mercy... only open it up a week after she stops making noisem, to look at her fried corpse.

Mr. Laser Beam · February 17 2013, 04:11 AM

She should spend the rest of her stinking miserable Luddite life in prison.

I actually would have expected at least one of the colonists to react with anger, shock and a feeling of being betrayed by Alixus' actions, and thus try and kill her out of revenge.

WesleysDisciple · February 17 2013, 06:08 AM

Closest thing we got was "you've lied to us!" from cassandra.... but Cassandra BOUGHT the whole "Yes but perhaps a lie can lead to a more important truth..." diatribe.

Oh heres a concern... Vinod I get the impression he'd have been a Minor when Alixus marooned them there.

That creates a question what to do with him... since any lawyer would cite brainwashing as a defense.

The Librarian · February 17 2013, 03:50 PM

Alixus is the leader, right? Well, that's simple. Arrest and try her for multiple counts of murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, sabotage of a starship, assault and battery, conspiracy to commit all of the above, and grand theft runabout. Oh, and failure to comply with Federation medical regulations for the vaccination of minors. Then once she's convicted you stick her in New Zealand or some other rehab/detention facility until she's no longer nuts.

WesleysDisciple · February 22 2013, 06:02 PM

Curious how do you think Alixus would have reacted to everyone Spitting in her face, backhanding her, calling her a liar and a bitch?

especialy in response to her "what you've achieved here, has redefined your potential, the potential of man" BS. which to her credit, god knows she needs SOMETHING to her credit... she seemed sincere about.

Takeru · February 22 2013, 07:08 PM

What should have happened to her her is seeing her little community collapsing immediately. I wanted her victims to tell her "The only reason we lived in this jungle shithole is because we had no choice, do you think we're staying here where we saw people being tortured and dying from space mosquito bites? We're going home bitch!"

I also wanted Sisko to forcibly remove everyone who decided to stay because they were obviously suffering from Stockholm syndrome and were not capable of making a decision to stay in their prison, they needed therapy, not "OK, bye!".

WesleysDisciple · February 22 2013, 08:32 PM

Takeru wrote:

What should have happened to her her is seeing her little community collapsing immediately. I wanted her victims to tell her "The only reason we lived in this jungle shithole is because we had no choice, do you think we're staying here where we saw people being tortured and dying from space mosquito bites? We're going home bitch!"

I also wanted Sisko to forcibly remove everyone who decided to stay because they were obviously suffering from Stockholm syndrome and were not capable of making a decision to stay in their prison, they needed therapy, not "OK, bye!".

Couldnt agree more

Curious though how do you think shed have reacted to that

With outrage or a sorrowful "Then it seems I truly have done nothing, but waste your time, For that I am sorry"

I like to think sisko filed a report with starfleet who appeared within a day or two offscreen to GAther everyone up and force them through counseling.

The author was trying to seem even handed in the end I think to show that these people would NEVER have voluntarily gone through this, yet benefited in some obscure way from it from "Getting more in touch with their core nature" or some such BS...

Personally thats probaly better done with a crew that was marooned by circumstances then deliberately marooned for some insane sociologists theories.

MacLeod · February 22 2013, 08:38 PM

Why not just leave her alone on her world.

In a civilisation witha population in the hundreds of billions if not close a trillion, she should have been able to find enough people to form the tech free colony she wanted, without forcing people into it.

MickJo1701 · February 22 2013, 08:42 PM

A discharge from a Phaser set to maximum was missing from the end of this episode.

-Brett- · February 22 2013, 09:10 PM

Don't think I've seen this episode since the DVD releases, so I could remember wrong, but I seem to recall her being hauled off to be put on trial for her crimes, with the implication that she was likely to spend a good long time in prison.

I don't have a problem with that. Revenge fantasies aren't really Star Trek's style.

JirinPanthosa · February 22 2013, 11:17 PM

There does seem to be a pattern in Star Trek that no matter how shitty your life is, if you've been living there for a while "This is our home. This is our way of life."

I don't think Alixus needed to die at the end rather than face a very long prison sentence. But the colonists definitely should have been a lot more angry and at least half of them should have left.

The entire episode might have worked better if Alixus was portrayed more like a cult leader. If she had targeted weak willed people, desperate for authority, instead of taking just a bunch of normal people. That way it would have been much more believable for everybody to want to stay behind.

Takeru · February 22 2013, 11:18 PM

WesleysDisciple wrote:

Couldnt agree more

Curious though how do you think shed have reacted to that

With outrage or a sorrowful "Then it seems I truly have done nothing, but waste your time, For that I am sorry"

I think she would have been shocked, she seemed to truly believe she did them a favor, I don't think she would have been able to say anything.

-Brett- wrote:

Don't think I've seen this episode since the DVD releases, so I could remember wrong, but I seem to recall her being hauled off to be put on trial for her crimes, with the implication that she was likely to spend a good long time in prison.

I don't have a problem with that. Revenge fantasies aren't really Star Trek's style.

The problem is that she probably goes to prison gladly because she was prooven right, her stupid experiment succeeded, she created this community and they decided to keep going without her, that's all she ever wanted.
I wanted her crushed and destroyed, not in prison knowing that she was "right"

February 17 2013, 03:21 AM	#1
WesleysDisciple Lieutenant Commander	Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? Almost everyone I know of whos commented, SFdebris, Most other reviewers, etc, etc etc, etc etc, etc Seems to HATE what happened At the end of "Paradise any ideas on what should have happened to Alixus? Heres my theory. They should have shoved her in the box, and welded it shut with a phaser, and listened to her screaming until she dies begging for Mercy... only open it up a week after she stops making noisem, to look at her fried corpse.

February 17 2013, 04:11 AM	#2
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? She should spend the rest of her stinking miserable Luddite life in prison. I actually would have expected at least one of the colonists to react with anger, shock and a feeling of being betrayed by Alixus' actions, and thus try and kill her out of revenge. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. Last edited by Mr. Laser Beam; February 17 2013 at 04:25 AM.

February 17 2013, 06:08 AM	#3
WesleysDisciple Lieutenant Commander	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? Closest thing we got was "you've lied to us!" from cassandra.... but Cassandra BOUGHT the whole "Yes but perhaps a lie can lead to a more important truth..." diatribe. Oh heres a concern... Vinod I get the impression he'd have been a Minor when Alixus marooned them there. That creates a question what to do with him... since any lawyer would cite brainwashing as a defense.

February 17 2013, 03:50 PM	#4
The Librarian Fleet Captain	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? Alixus is the leader, right? Well, that's simple. Arrest and try her for multiple counts of murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, sabotage of a starship, assault and battery, conspiracy to commit all of the above, and grand theft runabout. Oh, and failure to comply with Federation medical regulations for the vaccination of minors. Then once she's convicted you stick her in New Zealand or some other rehab/detention facility until she's no longer nuts.

February 22 2013, 06:02 PM	#5
WesleysDisciple Lieutenant Commander	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? Curious how do you think Alixus would have reacted to everyone Spitting in her face, backhanding her, calling her a liar and a bitch? especialy in response to her "what you've achieved here, has redefined your potential, the potential of man" BS. which to her credit, god knows she needs SOMETHING to her credit... she seemed sincere about.

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February 22 2013, 07:08 PM	#6
Takeru Captain	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? What should have happened to her her is seeing her little community collapsing immediately. I wanted her victims to tell her "The only reason we lived in this jungle shithole is because we had no choice, do you think we're staying here where we saw people being tortured and dying from space mosquito bites? We're going home bitch!" I also wanted Sisko to forcibly remove everyone who decided to stay because they were obviously suffering from Stockholm syndrome and were not capable of making a decision to stay in their prison, they needed therapy, not "OK, bye!".

February 22 2013, 08:38 PM	#8
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? Why not just leave her alone on her world. In a civilisation witha population in the hundreds of billions if not close a trillion, she should have been able to find enough people to form the tech free colony she wanted, without forcing people into it. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

February 22 2013, 08:42 PM	#9
MickJo1701 Lieutenant Commander	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? A discharge from a Phaser set to maximum was missing from the end of this episode.

February 22 2013, 09:10 PM	#10
-Brett- Rear Admiral	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? Don't think I've seen this episode since the DVD releases, so I could remember wrong, but I seem to recall her being hauled off to be put on trial for her crimes, with the implication that she was likely to spend a good long time in prison. I don't have a problem with that. Revenge fantasies aren't really Star Trek's style.

February 22 2013, 11:17 PM	#11
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: Paradise, what should have happened to Alixus? There does seem to be a pattern in Star Trek that no matter how shitty your life is, if you've been living there for a while "This is our home. This is our way of life." I don't think Alixus needed to die at the end rather than face a very long prison sentence. But the colonists definitely should have been a lot more angry and at least half of them should have left. The entire episode might have worked better if Alixus was portrayed more like a cult leader. If she had targeted weak willed people, desperate for authority, instead of taking just a bunch of normal people. That way it would have been much more believable for everybody to want to stay behind.