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Old October 12 2013, 10:08 PM   #691
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Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

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Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Lenin and all socialists knew that once the state controlled healthcare that socialism would become easy.

The American people need to think seriously about this, we are standing on the edge of the cliff. Do you want individual freedom or do you want to be a ward of the state?
When all else fails, Bolshevik the debate. It's the communist equivalent of the Godwin. Drive everything to a screeching halt by comparing even the mildest government-enacted upgrades to anything within American borders to a form of creeping communist tyranny that threatens our very existence as a free and democratically-governed people.

After all, today it's the Affordable Care Act. Tomorrow our television channels. Then our breakfast cereal and toilet paper. Soon we'll all be serfs in the new Marxist Order as the hammer and sickle of the people's revolution flutters in the stale breeze and the Trololol Guy's song becomes our new national anthem.

You know the other side has lost the argument and has nothing effective nor desirable to counter the Affordable Care Act when the socialism/communism/creeping tyranny card gets played and gets played so frequently.
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Old October 12 2013, 11:14 PM   #692
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The republican response is ALWAYS wrong.
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Old October 12 2013, 11:24 PM   #693
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Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

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How so?
The whole blog entry is a string of utter untruths, that's how.

First, if the woman was so broke that she could only afford one or the other, she'd have the option of food stamps, that can only be used to buy food, and which couldn't be spent on healthcare.

Second, it's been well established in this very thread that there are safeguards built into ACA itself to provide for people who are that kind of broke.

The whole blog entry is a string of utter untruths.
I disagree. People are finding out all over the country that their premiums will triple, just like the guy in the OP article. Obamacare was meant to break the middle class. Their will be many job losses over this as employers will have to lay off people or cut their hours. It is imperative that Obamacare not be funded. Hopefully patriots like Ted Cruz will succeed in his effort.

Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Lenin and all socialists knew that once the state controlled healthcare that socialism would become easy.

The American people need to think seriously about this, we are standing on the edge of the cliff. Do you want individual freedom or do you want to be a ward of the state?
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Old October 12 2013, 11:33 PM   #694
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Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

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I'm too exhausted for this shit. Is this thread even serving a purpose anymore?
Not that I can tell.
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Old October 12 2013, 11:45 PM   #695
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Universal Health Care can be found in several countries, they are hardly socialist States. (of course there is always the exception to the rule). And even in those countries no one says it's not without its flaws.

No here is a question to those oppose the PPACA, hypothetically if your job didin't come with health care, yet you earned too much to qualify for Medicare. Yet not enough to pay for high insurance premiums. And you had an accident that needed medical care. Are you

A.>Quite happy to expect to be treated and not pay for it
B.>Spend years if not decades paying off your bill.
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Old October 12 2013, 11:55 PM   #696
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Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

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It is imperative that Obamacare not be funded. Hopefully patriots like Ted Cruz will succeed in his effort.
Have you not seen the news? They've given up on that. It was never going to happen, it's blown up in the GOP's face and Cruz has been all but disowned by most of his Senate caucus. Obamacare is now polling as more popular than the Republican party (NBC/WSJ poll PDF):



Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Lenin and all socialists knew that once the state controlled healthcare that socialism would become easy.
Except -- big surprise -- no one can find proof that he ever said that.
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Old October 13 2013, 12:21 AM   #697
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It would be rather unusual since at the time health care was generally rather rudimentary - especially in many parts of Russia - and thus more affordable than it is today. Only very few countries at the time had anything like Universal Health Care (or rather, the beginnings of it). And they weren't socialist which I'm sure Lenin was painfully aware of since one of the main problems of the early Soviet Union was to find friends and allies.
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Old October 13 2013, 12:35 AM   #698
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I'd been wondering how long it was going to take for Dr. Carson to show up in this thread! Don't get me started...
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Old October 13 2013, 02:01 AM   #699
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Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

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People are finding out all over the country that their premiums will triple, just like the guy in the OP article. Obamacare was meant to break the middle class. Their will be many job losses over this as employers will have to lay off people or cut their hours. It is imperative that Obamacare not be funded. Hopefully patriots like Ted Cruz will succeed in his effort.

Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Lenin and all socialists knew that once the state controlled healthcare that socialism would become easy.

The American people need to think seriously about this, we are standing on the edge of the cliff. Do you want individual freedom or do you want to be a ward of the state?
I tolerated your thread so far in spite of your and others repeatedly factually inaccurate and hyperbolic comments because buried beneath all the asinine posts were people providing genuine information and even a few people who were hesitant about or opposed to Obamacare but were at least willing to learn, listen, and discuss things reasonably.

But between your Obama birther nonsense (while calling Ted Cruz who actually wasn't born in the US an "American patriot"), the repetition of the same lies no matter how many times people post evidence discrediting them, the completely insane cries of communism and the death of freedom, the quantity over quality spamming by others, "Mr. I don't wanna work, I wanna bang on me drums all day", and the borderline insults back and forth (which I've been guilty of too), I've had enough of this dog of a thread. Closed.

I feel better already.

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