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Old March 30 2014, 11:40 PM   #136
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In a "read-along" audio cassette book of the film I have, the story goes straight from the probe's attack on Ilia to her (re)appearance, scrapping everything in between. That certainly helps to move the action along!
But, don't you understand that we need 45 minutes of special effects, first?
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Old March 31 2014, 02:53 AM   #137
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As you don't seem against restructuring the film... What do you think about tightening the cloud-travel sequence, combining the attack with Ilia being taken by V'Ger into one larger section of the film?

I'm not quite sure this could/would work, as it would require to move some dialogue-scenes forward to keep Spock's storyline and his contact to V'Ger intact. But it would also give some time to digest Ilia's "death" and V'Ger would be given time to create her robot-clone.
I already completed a rough edit of the cloud and v'ger flyover sequences (Actually I believe my cloud edit was too short!).

Are you talking moving Ilia's digitization to right after they send the friendship message? That's a nice thought, but Decker's "It's an unwarranted gamble" wouldn't have any payoff when he says "this is how I define unwarranted", plus I wouldn't want to spend the time to edit her out of all those reaction shots.

I'm honestly not sure how this project will progress for a while as my Trinitron finally died, and I do not have roughly $1k to spare on a replacement monitor that I could calibrate for color (for grading and effects work) due to employment instability. I assume I could create a Kickstarter or fund raising drive for the project however that only works if you're Adywan doing the Star Wars Revisited edits ; ).

Feel free to keep discussion going in the thread, contribute ideas, assets, art, etc. I'll post updates whenever they are noteworthy.
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Old March 31 2014, 01:28 PM   #138
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True (about Decker's comment) but he could still say it, have the reactions, then bring Ilia back in the shower. It is admittedly a short grieving period, but no worse than how long Spock spent being "blind" in Operation-Annihilate! Whether a TV-show feel at this point in TMP is a good or bad thing I'll leave up for debate.
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Old March 31 2014, 05:05 PM   #139
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As you don't seem against restructuring the film... What do you think about tightening the cloud-travel sequence, combining the attack with Ilia being taken by V'Ger into one larger section of the film?

I'm not quite sure this could/would work, as it would require to move some dialogue-scenes forward to keep Spock's storyline and his contact to V'Ger intact. But it would also give some time to digest Ilia's "death" and V'Ger would be given time to create her robot-clone.
I already completed a rough edit of the cloud and v'ger flyover sequences (Actually I believe my cloud edit was too short!).

Are you talking moving Ilia's digitization to right after they send the friendship message? That's a nice thought, but Decker's "It's an unwarranted gamble" wouldn't have any payoff when he says "this is how I define unwarranted", plus I wouldn't want to spend the time to edit her out of all those reaction shots.
For Decker's "unwarranted" to have any effect and payoff, the dialogue-sequence from after the attack where Kirk asks Spock's and Decker's advice on how to proceed would have to be moved forward.


Here is how I see these events unfold:

- after they first arrive at the cloud, and notice they are being scanned, discuss about shields, not being provocative, and Kirk gives his commands to Ilia to "bring us parallel", there needs to be a cut to an exterior- or viewscreen-shot and then a sequence of cloud-travel-shots (removing Kirk's command to Sulu to put a tactical plot on the viewer), (this would also explain why V'Ger looks like a cloud on the viewer and like a trench in the exterior shots: they've flown in)
- then cut to interior bridge: the after-battle scenes: the over-the-shoulder shot of Kirk ordering the tactical view on screen, followed by the Kirk, Spock and Decker conversation on how to proceed, and the Decker/Kirk bit about the "unwarranted gamble" (excising the references to the attack), scene ends with Kirk in his chair
- cut to exterior of the Entprise proceeding towards the V'Ger cloud-trench
- cut to Decker's "This measures 12th power..." with the first attack playing out as-is
- then Spock's discovery of V'Ger's attempted comm-contact and what to do next
- as-is cut to the lightning inside the V'Ger cloud-trench, and Spock sending the reply (the urgency needs to be somewhat reduced, the shots of the second V'Ger torpedo need to be removed, maybe lingering a bit longer on the insert shot of the transmission-screen)
- cut to a calm V'Ger cloud-trench
- cut to interior of the brigde, talk about the friendship messages being received, and Spock's "pure logic" comment
- cut to exterior, lightning the the trench, the second V'Ger torpedo approaching, hitting the shields.
- interior bridge, the V'Ger probe-scene playing out as-is, including the whole tractor-beam catching the Enterprise bits (moving that whole sequence forward gives Decker's "this is how I define unwarranted" more punch, I think)
- cut to cloud-travel-shots in sequence with Uhura confirming the readiness of the log-buoy, Defalco and McCoy arriving on the bridge, Decker and Spock disagreeing about the phaser-blast towards the tractor-beam, and a few reaction-shots (Ilia isn't that often in the frame)
- the travel over V'Ger itself - though beautiful - could be omitted entirely, with the Enterprise being pulled straight into the ship after having passed through the cloud (the topography of those scenes isn't quite clear anyway)

Does this make sense? Could this work dramatically?
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Old April 2 2014, 12:53 AM   #140
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- the travel over V'Ger itself - though beautiful - could be omitted entirely, with the Enterprise being pulled straight into the ship after having passed through the cloud (the topography of those scenes isn't quite clear anyway)
I've come to realize the topography of the flyover perhaps isn't clear because the movie doesn't explain that their "conic section flight path" involves flying around V'ger in a non-treatening manner and approaching it from the rear (instead of interecpting it head on like the Klingons), so the first view of V'ger is the rear of the ship, and the "maw" is actually the front. This is explained in the novel, and obviously properly communicated to the FX team, since the flyover is from back to front.
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Old April 2 2014, 03:47 AM   #141
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I've come to realize the topography of the flyover perhaps isn't clear because the movie doesn't explain that their "conic section flight path" involves flying around V'ger in a non-treatening manner and approaching it from the rear (instead of interecpting it head on like the Klingons), so the first view of V'ger is the rear of the ship, and the "maw" is actually the front. This is explained in the novel, and obviously properly communicated to the FX team, since the flyover is from back to front.
This is somewhat pertinent issue in the film that is indeed under explained. My solution to this is to excise the tactical shot that appears after Kirk orders the course change, and replace it with one similar to the Regula tactical from WOK whereby the virtual camera switches its viewing from the side of the plot to the top. This way I can have the course line articulate to the audience how the ship will come parallel to V'Ger.
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Old April 2 2014, 06:40 PM   #142
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- the travel over V'Ger itself - though beautiful - could be omitted entirely, with the Enterprise being pulled straight into the ship after having passed through the cloud (the topography of those scenes isn't quite clear anyway)
I've come to realize the topography of the flyover perhaps isn't clear because the movie doesn't explain that their "conic section flight path" involves flying around V'ger in a non-treatening manner and approaching it from the rear (instead of interecpting it head on like the Klingons), so the first view of V'ger is the rear of the ship, and the "maw" is actually the front. This is explained in the novel, and obviously properly communicated to the FX team, since the flyover is from back to front.
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I've come to realize the topography of the flyover perhaps isn't clear because the movie doesn't explain that their "conic section flight path" involves flying around V'ger in a non-treatening manner and approaching it from the rear (instead of interecpting it head on like the Klingons), so the first view of V'ger is the rear of the ship, and the "maw" is actually the front. This is explained in the novel, and obviously properly communicated to the FX team, since the flyover is from back to front.
This is somewhat pertinent issue in the film that is indeed under explained. My solution to this is to excise the tactical shot that appears after Kirk orders the course change, and replace it with one similar to the Regula tactical from WOK whereby the virtual camera switches its viewing from the side of the plot to the top. This way I can have the course line articulate to the audience how the ship will come parallel to V'Ger.
My cut would get around that issue


I hope you get your equipment-issues sorted out soon, so that we can see more of your work on the film.
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Old April 3 2014, 11:05 AM   #143
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My cut would get around that issue

I hope you get your equipment-issues sorted out soon, so that we can see more of your work on the film.
Possibly I do not think the film would flow very well using those edits. If you can put a rough cut together as an example I'd be happy evaluate it.

It doesn't seem likely that many wholesale changes will work in this film... sure I have aspirations of doing this or that however changing the editing in a drastic way, aside from trimming this or adding that, tends to introduce many problems.

It might be a couple months or never! Depends upon when I can get 1200 dollars together.
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Old April 3 2014, 07:58 PM   #144
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My cut would get around that issue

I hope you get your equipment-issues sorted out soon, so that we can see more of your work on the film.
Possibly I do not think the film would flow very well using those edits. If you can put a rough cut together as an example I'd be happy evaluate it.
I'd love to, but I don't have the software or patience and certainly not the editing skills to do that kind of edit. This is hard work.
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Old April 10 2014, 04:02 AM   #145
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*dons professor's voice*

Good news everyone!

I've found a good deal on a Panasonic Plasma broadcast monitor, along with some inexpensive SDI card solutions which'll allow me to actually see what I'm doing without windows or anything else messing the color up. Hopefully in about a month I can restart work on this project again.
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