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Old August 13 2014, 08:58 AM   #121
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Re: The Voyager Novels

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Next up for me is Fire Ship. I hear good things and bad things.
'Love it or hate it' seems to be a good way to describe it. It's Janeway cut off from Voyager and in first person, so there's very little interaction between Janeway and the rest of the crew.

Plus the author is fairly controversial in her portrayal of the characters of later Trek. Most of her non-novelization work revolve around TOS, and a lot of people find her attitude towards non-TOS Trek to be disapproving at best.
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Old August 13 2014, 04:19 PM   #122
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I think Pathways is a better book than Mosaic, so if you like Mosiac, you should enjoy Pathways.
I also really like Greg Cox's Voyager novel The Black Shore, it's a rare Kes centered novel, and very good.
Thanks! As I recall, that was my first solo Trek novel (after a couple of collaborations). And, yes, I think it was back during the Kes era.

It would be years before I got a chance to write Seven . . . .
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Old August 13 2014, 04:38 PM   #123
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I think Pathways is a better book than Mosaic, so if you like Mosiac, you should enjoy Pathways.
I also really like Greg Cox's Voyager novel The Black Shore, it's a rare Kes centered novel, and very good.
Thanks! As I recall, that was my first solo Trek novel (after a couple of collaborations). And, yes, I think it was back during the Kes era.

It would be years before I got a chance to write Seven . . . .
I'm glad you got that chance!
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Old August 13 2014, 09:39 PM   #124
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Re: The Voyager Novels

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Next up for me is Fire Ship. I hear good things and bad things.
'Love it or hate it' seems to be a good way to describe it. It's Janeway cut off from Voyager and in first person, so there's very little interaction between Janeway and the rest of the crew.

Plus the author is fairly controversial in her portrayal of the characters of later Trek. Most of her non-novelization work revolve around TOS, and a lot of people find her attitude towards non-TOS Trek to be disapproving at best.
Well, I'll give it a chance.
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Old August 17 2014, 01:34 AM   #125
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Re: The Voyager Novels

DGCatAniSiri wrote: View Post
Janeway's Girl wrote: View Post
Next up for me is Fire Ship. I hear good things and bad things.
'Love it or hate it' seems to be a good way to describe it. It's Janeway cut off from Voyager and in first person, so there's very little interaction between Janeway and the rest of the crew.

Plus the author is fairly controversial in her portrayal of the characters of later Trek. Most of her non-novelization work revolve around TOS, and a lot of people find her attitude towards non-TOS Trek to be disapproving at best.
She may have mellowed later, but in the early days of TNG, she hated that show and she had pretty harsh words for Gene Roddenberry. (I saw her at a Trek con or two back in the day.) She's a right-wing military fetishist who didn't like Trek being liberal and anti-war. Never mind that that started with TOS.
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Old August 23 2014, 02:22 AM   #126
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I'm a few chapters into Fire Ship and it's pretty weird. I find it very confusing to follow the story and Janeway seems out of character. I don't think I'll continue.
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Old August 23 2014, 02:28 AM   #127
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I'm a few chapters into Fire Ship and it's pretty weird. I find it very confusing to follow the story and Janeway seems out of character. I don't think I'll continue.
I remember it took me a few tries before I got all the way through "Fire Ship". It is an interesting story, but I don't think the first-person worked all that well for it.
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Old August 23 2014, 02:37 AM   #128
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I'm usually fine with first-person narratives but this one is really difficult to get into.
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Old August 26 2014, 11:06 AM   #129
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Janeway's Girl wrote: View Post
Next up for me is Fire Ship. I hear good things and bad things.
'Love it or hate it' seems to be a good way to describe it. It's Janeway cut off from Voyager and in first person, so there's very little interaction between Janeway and the rest of the crew.

Plus the author is fairly controversial in her portrayal of the characters of later Trek. Most of her non-novelization work revolve around TOS, and a lot of people find her attitude towards non-TOS Trek to be disapproving at best.
She may have mellowed later, but in the early days of TNG, she hated that show and she had pretty harsh words for Gene Roddenberry. (I saw her at a Trek con or two back in the day.) She's a right-wing military fetishist who didn't like Trek being liberal and anti-war. Never mind that that started with TOS.
Thank goodness NuTrek seems to go the politically neutral route when it comes to economics so we can avoid the usual politics wars.
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Old August 26 2014, 12:07 PM   #130
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Janeway's Girl wrote: View Post
Next up for me is Fire Ship. I hear good things and bad things.
'Love it or hate it' seems to be a good way to describe it. It's Janeway cut off from Voyager and in first person, so there's very little interaction between Janeway and the rest of the crew.

Plus the author is fairly controversial in her portrayal of the characters of later Trek. Most of her non-novelization work revolve around TOS, and a lot of people find her attitude towards non-TOS Trek to be disapproving at best.
She may have mellowed later, but in the early days of TNG, she hated that show and she had pretty harsh words for Gene Roddenberry. (I saw her at a Trek con or two back in the day.) She's a right-wing military fetishist who didn't like Trek being liberal and anti-war. Never mind that that started with TOS.
I have never met a Diane Carey book I liked. Not once, no matter which series she was writing about.
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Old August 27 2014, 01:08 AM   #131
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I have never met a Diane Carey book I liked. Not once, no matter which series she was writing about.
I'm not a fan at all, and there are books of hers that I really really emphatically do not care for even a little bit. But there were a few times when I thought, with more editing (at every level, from story to sentence), this could be okay. I seem to recall thinking she came close with the first Piper novel, the first Invasion novel, the last Challenger book, and maybe The Great Starship Race.

But for the most part the characters she wrote were not the same people I saw on TV, she indulged her own interests to the point of quoting her own real life diary in one of her novels, and her version of English grammar was, let's say, uniquely hers.
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Old August 27 2014, 01:37 AM   #132
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Piper is nothing but a Mary Sue character.
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Old August 27 2014, 12:16 PM   #133
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...quoting her own real life diary in one of her novels...
Seriously? I didn't know this one! Which book?
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Old August 27 2014, 01:57 PM   #134
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Ship of the Line. She uses it as a chapter epigraph. Search "personal log" in it on Google Books and you will see.
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Old August 28 2014, 02:00 AM   #135
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That's... incredible.

She even makes a note afterwards that parts of the book you're reading were written on the same trip where she wrote that. Like it's supposed to be unusually powerful that, not only did she use her own diary as an epigraph, but that it was a diary entry she wrote while writing the book it's in! WHOOOOAAAA!
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