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Old November 26 2014, 07:42 PM   #166
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Re: Favourite Much-Maligned TNG Episodes

I liked "Birthright." We get to see how prisoners and their children adapt to and even sympathize with and protect their captors, and it's even more interesting because these are Klingons being held captive and their jailers are Romulans.

Also: DS9 cameos and James Cromwell plays an alien. Enough said.
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Old November 27 2014, 03:42 PM   #167
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A nugget to throw into the race discussion...I seem to recall reading back in the day that Sisko having black love interests was Avery Brooks's idea. He didn't like that the black actors on TNG were always paired with non-black love interests.
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Old November 28 2014, 09:17 PM   #168
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Only....please don't say that the white characters are able to fall in love "normally" meaning "heterosexual". Nothing less "normal" with being gay, just different. Just like having dark skin is not less "normal" than having light skin. (unless that wasn't your intention, then all good.)
Ah, I should have clarified:

The way Geordi and Harry are portrayed in their respective shows, and the way some fans treat them, is like they weren't normal. Meaning that because the writers and producers want to show these characters as being losers, we sometimes have fans coming off as 'ah, those guys [i.e. non-white men] can't get girls like the other 'normal' [read: 'white'] male characters in the show so they must be gay!'

While Malcolm Reed in "Enterprise" was also hinted as being gay, I want to say white privilege allowed him to still have fans pairing him up with female characters (e.g. the Andorian Talas and the lovely Asian Hoshi Sato) and not receiving any hate. He was still treated as a well-rounded 'normal' character and respected.

Hey.....after 48 years of Trek I'm still waiting for an openly homosexual character. And I wouldn't be happy if he was a effeminate, mincing stereotype.[...]Next Star Trek series starring an African-American captain with a North European love interest and a gay first officer
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Old November 28 2014, 11:13 PM   #169
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I found "Birthright" to be fairly boring, but the Data part seemed to me the most interesting. It's two different shows rammed together, and might have been better had they done it as one part episodes that occurred at different points of the season. The Worf part didn't resonate with me, but what does is the battle of wills between him and the Romulan. That should have been the focus. So as a two-parter it's a mess to me.

I guess "Phantasms" is frowned upon, but I like the weirdness a lot. I think Data starts to grow a lot in seasons 6 and 7, and when he calls Juliana Tainer "mother," I think he's as close to understanding humanity as ever.

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Old November 30 2014, 12:04 AM   #170
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A particular episode doesn't come to mind for me, but I really like season 2 of TNG as a whole.

It gets a lot of criticism, but I think it's filled with solid episodes. Plus a lot of important story arcs are seeded in season 2.

Also, Diana Muldaur does a fine job as the doctor. You just have to get used to her.
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Old November 30 2014, 12:32 AM   #171
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I'm just gonna say it, The Royale is not that good! I'm a season 2 fan but that one is at the bottom. The thing I hate about it is that it feels so dated, and the casino characters are almost as grating as Mark Twain in Time's Arrow.

I love Birthright, but I like part 2 a lot more.
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Old November 30 2014, 04:37 AM   #172
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I'm just gonna say it, The Royale is not that good! I'm a season 2 fan but that one is at the bottom. The thing I hate about it is that it feels so dated, and the casino characters are almost as grating as Mark Twain in Time's Arrow.
They were meant to be grating. Badly written characters from a crappy book.
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Old December 1 2014, 01:20 AM   #173
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The Royale is a great episode!
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Old December 4 2014, 06:14 AM   #174
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I'm just gonna say it, The Royale is not that good! I'm a season 2 fan but that one is at the bottom. The thing I hate about it is that it feels so dated, and the casino characters are almost as grating as Mark Twain in Time's Arrow.
They were meant to be grating. Badly written characters from a crappy book.
Only because something is meant to be grating, doesn't make it good.
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Old December 4 2014, 07:22 AM   #175
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It doesn't make it bad either.
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Old December 4 2014, 06:32 PM   #176
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It makes it grating.
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