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Old February 28 2013, 04:50 AM   #16
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Re: scifi film noir films

A film's being "dark" in subject, on it's own, does not make it noir. Traditionally, there's an amount of melodrama (clear good/bad), a femme fatale (a woman who brings about the doom of the man), a distinct visual style, etc. Or so I was told in a couple of film classes.
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Old March 1 2013, 11:19 PM   #17
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Re: scifi film noir films

There's this weird artsy sort of sci-fi noir called Yesterday Was a Lie. It has to do with looping around on your own timeline (which, I think, is a metaphor for getting over the emotional scars of your own past). It's in black & white and certainly tries to adhere to the usual P.I. tropes. Chase Masterson plays the femme fatale. Peter Mayhew plays the guy that gets killed at the beginning.
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Old March 2 2013, 12:39 PM   #18
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There's this weird artsy sort of sci-fi noir called Yesterday Was a Lie. It has to do with looping around on your own timeline (which, I think, is a metaphor for getting over the emotional scars of your own past). It's in black & white and certainly tries to adhere to the usual P.I. tropes. Chase Masterson plays the femme fatale. Peter Mayhew plays the guy that gets killed at the beginning.
sounds nice
but why the low rating at imdb?
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Old March 2 2013, 11:08 PM   #19
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Traditionally, there's an amount of melodrama (clear good/bad), a femme fatale (a woman who brings about the doom of the man), a distinct visual style, etc. Or so I was told in a couple of film classes.
I would add a general attitude of cynicalism, certainly on the part of the lead character.

I don't know if strictly speaking the film would have to be in black and white, but visually it should be "dark" and muted.

Raining the whole time (Blade Runner) helps.

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Old March 3 2013, 12:16 AM   #20
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Re: scifi film noir films

Not sure lots of those would be film noir on that list but some that I think are: A Scanner Darkly, Naked Lunch, 1984, New Rose Hotel
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Old March 3 2013, 06:22 PM   #21
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Traditionally, there's an amount of melodrama (clear good/bad), a femme fatale (a woman who brings about the doom of the man), a distinct visual style, etc. Or so I was told in a couple of film classes.
I would add a general attitude of cynicalism, certainly on the part of the lead character.

I don't know if strictly speaking the film would have to be in black and white, but visually it should be "dark" and muted.

Raining the whole time (Blade Runner) helps.

what about a good naive lead character (man) that got seduced by a femme fatal? the 2 attitudes contradicts each other no?
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Old March 18 2013, 08:04 PM   #22
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thats it guys?
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Old March 18 2013, 08:27 PM   #23
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When the male lead is good and naive, it's more a "she done him wrong" than noir.

Think "Double Indemnity": A cynical male lead who's willingly seduced by a femme fatale, thinking he has everything under control, only to be double-crossed by her (because she was smarter and/or more ruthless). I saw this in film class, so lots of explanation, but I was never a fan of the lead actor or actress, disliked them in fact. Personally, I don't like certain noir, I like to have someone to root for, and when both characters are "bad guys," I'm left hanging.
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