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Old May 9 2014, 03:16 AM   #31
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It is - it stands out nicely from the books surrounding it too.
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Old May 9 2014, 08:41 PM   #32
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Tor.com is holding a sweepstakes for The Klingon Art of War. Five people who comment on the linked post will win a free, autographed copy of the book.
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Old May 11 2014, 03:02 PM   #33
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Is Sho or anybody going to open a review thread? It's not a novel but book is book.

Two non-spoilery questions:
Kortar's mate is called Baka in this book. Is it the same one as Lunob from Losing the Peace, or Kortar's second mate?

Only indirectly related to the book; has it ever been established who punished Kortar after he and his mate slew the gods?
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Old May 11 2014, 04:40 PM   #34
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Is Sho or anybody going to open a review thread? It's not a novel but book is book.
My own humble opinion is that it should have its own review thread, but that's trampledamage's call....


Kortar's mate is called Baka in this book. Is it the same one as Lunob from Losing the Peace, or Kortar's second mate?
I had no idea that LTP came up with a different name for Kortar's mate. However, since Kortar's story is mythical anyhow, I'm perfectly happy to chalk it up to the inconsistencies that crop up across different oral traditions across an entire planet.


Only indirectly related to the book; has it ever been established who punished Kortar after he and his mate slew the gods?
Not that I'm aware of. I always thought that was a silly notion, anyhow, since the impression created by both Worf's comment in "Homefront" and the marriage ceremony text in "You are Cordially Invited..." indicates that killing the gods was a good thing, so I never understood why they established in "Barge of the Dead" that Kortar got made into the Klingon equivalent of Charon for that.
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Old May 11 2014, 04:46 PM   #35
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I always thought that was a silly notion, anyhow, since the impression created by both Worf's comment in "Homefront" and the marriage ceremony text in "You are Cordially Invited..." indicates that killing the gods was a good thing, so I never understood why they established in "Barge of the Dead" that Kortar got made into the Klingon equivalent of Charon for that.
Makes sense to me. Most humans would agree that Prometheus giving fire to humanity was a good thing, but Prometheus was still punished for it. Not every mythic tradition assumes that good deeds are rewarded. Some are built more around the assumption that the universe is intrinsically uncaring and stacked against us. Which seems like the sort of mythology the Klingons would embrace.
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Old May 11 2014, 04:57 PM   #36
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Maybe the gods were so mighty (and thus such worthy foes to Kortar in a manner that proves his honour) that they'd created the equivalent of a curse, so that fate itself would punish Kortar for his daring? His being punished might be a reflection of how things naturally work, and not a diminishment of him. Maybe Kortar is a small piece of comfort to those who sail on the Barge of the Dead, or (alternatively) a shameful reminder of what the dishonoured dead turned their back on? If not even the mighty and honourable slayer of gods can avoid his fate or the dictats of the Natural Way of Things, then the wretched dishonoured know that there's no hope of their escape from the equally unavoidable destiny (of eternal suffering in Gre'thor) that they have so deservedly earned?
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Old May 11 2014, 05:34 PM   #37
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Or maybe the gods cast a curse on Kortar as they were dying, as their final act.
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Old May 11 2014, 05:39 PM   #38
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B'Elanna saved her mother and/or herself from Gre'thor in "Barge of the Dead", so it might not be as hopeless.
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Old May 11 2014, 06:17 PM   #39
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B'Elanna saved her mother and/or herself from Gre'thor in "Barge of the Dead", so it might not be as hopeless.
Kortar must be annoyed.

"Oh, so she gets to go back, because her daughter comes to redeem the family honour. What about me? Hello, mighty slayer of the gods here? The First True Klingon? No? I don't get off?"
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Old May 12 2014, 04:57 AM   #40
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A small note to KRAD: From my point of view, your thread title is no longer factually accurate...
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Old May 15 2014, 02:37 PM   #41
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Is Sho or anybody going to open a review thread? It's not a novel but book is book.
My own humble opinion is that it should have its own review thread, but that's trampledamage's call....
Oh definitely - we should have a review thread

If the first person who wants to write a review could start the poll, I'd be grateful. Use Sho's ranking system and I think it should be picked up automatically for his web-page.
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Old May 15 2014, 07:12 PM   #42
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Oh definitely - we should have a review thread
Done:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=244807
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Old June 30 2014, 09:39 PM   #43
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Copy obtained!

And at a most competitive price of £6.72 which I extracted from no less than Amazon!
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