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Old August 12 2014, 12:42 AM   #31
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Re: TNG Rewatch: 5x03 "Ensign Ro."

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How many don't know that many Asian cultures have last name + first name? A lot I'd wager.
But I imagine people that have studied that culture would know and the episode makes it seem like Picard has studied the Bajora.
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Old August 12 2014, 12:54 PM   #32
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Re: TNG Rewatch: 5x03 "Ensign Ro."

[QUOTE=jimbotron;9963037]How many don't know that many Asian cultures have last name + first name? A lot I'd wager.

How many ignoramuses are there out there, a lot I'd wager. However, I never thought Picard was supposed to be one of them. And depending on the ignorance of the audience to make something "exotic" is still pathetic.

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But I imagine people that have studied that culture would know and the episode makes it seem like Picard has studied the Bajora.
That's what I was trying to say.

Picard was never shown to be uneducated. Geordie or Worf or Riker or almost anyone else could have been the one to make the "mistake" Picard should have been the one correcting them.
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Old August 12 2014, 06:11 PM   #33
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Re: TNG Rewatch: 5x03 "Ensign Ro."

Picard might have studied Bajor, but knowing the traditional way to say someone's name might not be in with that sort of study. If one studies Japan via textbooks, one probably won't notice the way the names go unless it is pointed out. They are people's names, but without the context, or perhaps the writer of that text not knowing (or intentionally reversing to order so it can be understood by Federation readers) how is Picard suppose to know?

That and other Bajorans had "westernized" their names, so if might have been uncommon to encounter a Bajoran or texts on Bajorans that didn't have their names in "western fashion".
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Old August 12 2014, 11:01 PM   #34
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Re: TNG Rewatch: 5x03 "Ensign Ro."

Yeah, it seamed the "Eastern" way to saying the name wasn't very common and done by "traditionalists" so it was probably just assumed that all Bajorans did it the "Western" way. Ro and the group she introduced Picard too were sort of "extremists" who preferred the "Eastern" way of doing things.

Still doesn't quite explain why the "Western" way is such an automatic way to do it when there's so many alien cultures out there, certainly Given Name:Family Name isn't the default way to do it in all of the galaxy? As noted, it's not even the default way to do it on Earth.

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Old August 13 2014, 08:45 AM   #35
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Re: TNG Rewatch: 5x03 "Ensign Ro."

Why did the writers choose to stop using "Bajora"?
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Old August 13 2014, 08:48 AM   #36
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Why did the writers choose to stop using "Bajora"?
Mmm...good question, sort of like how the original series stopped using 'Vulcanian'.
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Old August 13 2014, 08:52 AM   #37
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I suppose it could have been that the crew in this episode were saying it incorrectly because of their lack of knowledge? Similar to the naming situation?
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Old August 13 2014, 06:44 PM   #38
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Why did the writers choose to stop using "Bajora"?
Mmm...good question, sort of like how the original series stopped using 'Vulcanian'.
And thank goodness the Klingon homeworld stopped being called Kling.
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