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Old June 2 2013, 03:16 AM   #91
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Re: RLM - Half in the Bag does STID [SPOILERS]

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Oh boy. They are not angry in any way. Nor are they "fanboys" (Mike and Rich are Trek fans, sure, but they're certainly not fanatic about it). Maybe you should at least try to watch the damn review. It's funny and insightful. It's 40 minutes long, because they had fun talking about it for that length. It's just like seeing the movie with a bunch of friends and talking about it afterwards over a few drinks. I sure discussed the movie a whole lot longer than 40 minutes with my buddies.

So please, get over it. It's just a bunch of guys talking about a movie. They didn't hate it and they didn't love it. And if you're interested, they tell you why. If you're not, fine. But man, why hate on them like that? Some act like they charge you money for watching their damn videos.
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I would like to know how a balding, middle-aged man hurling Styrofoam rocks at another guy in a green rubber suit is in any way intellectually provocative.
I think at times Star Trek could really make you think. But it definitely wasn't the majority of the time. The majority of the time if was just fun action-adventure with really cool spaceships.
If you're referring to the Gorn episode in TOS I believe there were other aspects to the story to make you think. In later Star Trek series it seems that the Federation was always right and noble and never did anything wrong.

In this episode the Federation were technically wrong - invading another species territory. Kirk had to take this into consideration when he gave mercy to the Gorn.
There are parallels on Earth, in the 60s, 70s and now.

If you push everything down into men in rubber suits and aliens with the ridge of the week or a man dressed up with yellow paint all over him and coloured contacts then how can you enjoy any Trek.
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Old June 2 2013, 04:09 AM   #92
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Re: RLM - Half in the Bag does STID [SPOILERS]

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http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinket...nto-reference/

Short Plinkett video. SPOILERS AHOY.
I enjoyed the Half in the Bag review, but this was just painful. I'm going to pretend that this video doesn't exist and wait for the inevitable full length review from Plinkett.
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Old June 2 2013, 08:18 AM   #93
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But again, as far as killing Kirk is concerned, he had no intention of doing either because it isn't what he wanted to do in the first place. He wanted Kirk to suffer just as he had suffered. That was his whole motivation. Leave Kirk to rot, destroy the Enterprise, and leave with Genesis. It's incredibly straightforward. You might find flaws in it, sure, but Khan not killing Kirk outright on the moon is not one of them. It's fully addressed in the movie as to why Khan does what he does there.
Khan had every intention of killing Kirk; or have you forgotten this line:

KHAN
Surely I have made my meaning plain.
I mean to avenge myself upon you,
Admiral. I've deprived your ship of
power and when I swing round I mean
to deprive you of your life --

-- But I wanted you to know first
who it was who had beaten you.
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Old June 2 2013, 11:18 AM   #94
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Khan had every intention of killing Kirk; or have you forgotten this line:

KHAN
Surely I have made my meaning plain.
I mean to avenge myself upon you,
Admiral. I've deprived your ship of
power and when I swing round I mean
to deprive you of your life --

-- But I wanted you to know first
who it was who had beaten you.
No, I didn't forget. I know the film by heart. That was earlier in the film. He makes it very clear his intentions changed after the first engagement. He actually clues you into this in the exchange right after Tyrell kills himself. Kirk says to Khan over the communicator "Khan you blood sucker, you're gonna have to do your own dirty work now do you hear me? Do you!" With surprise, Khan says "Kirk, you're still alive my old friend." Kirk bitterly shoots back "Still. Old. Friend. You've managed to kill just about everyone else but like a poor marksman you keep missing the target!"

and then Khan says "Perhaps I no longer need to try admiral." That line alone tells you that Khan has changed his initial plans around in his mind.

After beaming up the torpedo, "Khan, you've got Genesis, but you don't have me. You were going to kill me, Khan. You're going to have to come down here. You're going to have to come down here!" Kirk tries to get Khan to refocus on the simple act of killing him. To which Khan says...

"I've done far worse than kill you... I've hurt you, and I wish to go on hurting you. Marooned for all eternity at the center of a dead planet. Buried alive... Buried alive..."

You see, the point is very clear in the film. Khan says "I wanted you to know first who it was who had beaten you." But Kirk was the one who beat beat Khan in that first engagement. Khan's need to BEAT Kirk is beyond simply killing him. Khan has to best Kirk, make him face it, and then end him. Anybody can just kill someone. That's not particularly interesting. Khan's need for Kirk to SEE defeat ties back into Kirk's arc of aging, and never having faced a situation he couldn't trick or fox his way out of.
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Old June 2 2013, 03:06 PM   #95
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Re: RLM - Half in the Bag does STID [SPOILERS]

Khan's motivations change because they couldn't get the actors together. He tells Terrell to kill Kirk just a moment earlier. Unfortunately, the writers forgot that Khan could've used the transporter to snag Kirk just as easily as it snagged Genesis. In movie, Khan had lost to Kirk yet again by failing to kill him. So he moved the goal posts.

So we have his desires shift in literally the same scene.
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Old June 2 2013, 07:53 PM   #96
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Oh boy. They are not angry in any way. Nor are they "fanboys" (Mike and Rich are Trek fans, sure, but they're certainly not fanatic about it). Maybe you should at least try to watch the damn review. It's funny and insightful. It's 40 minutes long, because they had fun talking about it for that length. It's just like seeing the movie with a bunch of friends and talking about it afterwards over a few drinks. I sure discussed the movie a whole lot longer than 40 minutes with my buddies.

So please, get over it. It's just a bunch of guys talking about a movie. They didn't hate it and they didn't love it. And if you're interested, they tell you why. If you're not, fine. But man, why hate on them like that? Some act like they charge you money for watching their damn videos.
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The people here that act like they are too good (basically too snobbish and stuck-up) to watch (oh no what a sin!) a review/commentary on the film instead of reading and typing about it....
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Old June 2 2013, 08:50 PM   #97
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Oh boy. They are not angry in any way. Nor are they "fanboys" (Mike and Rich are Trek fans, sure, but they're certainly not fanatic about it). Maybe you should at least try to watch the damn review. It's funny and insightful. It's 40 minutes long, because they had fun talking about it for that length. It's just like seeing the movie with a bunch of friends and talking about it afterwards over a few drinks. I sure discussed the movie a whole lot longer than 40 minutes with my buddies.

So please, get over it. It's just a bunch of guys talking about a movie. They didn't hate it and they didn't love it. And if you're interested, they tell you why. If you're not, fine. But man, why hate on them like that? Some act like they charge you money for watching their damn videos.
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The people here that act like they are too good (basically too snobbish and stuck-up) to watch (oh no what a sin!) a review/commentary on the film instead of reading and typing about it....
Perhaps you missed the bit, a few posts up, about not taking swipes at other posters. No more, please.
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