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Old June 30 2013, 06:30 AM   #16
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Re: Real Starships? Maybe...

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Even optimism should be tempered by reality, otherwise it is too easily lost. Microwave ovens and starships are a long way apart, science- and engineering-wise.
You assume way too much about someone you do not know. I am an optimist, yet I am a very realistic person. The two are not incompatible to most people.

I also know that human capability is unlimited. Time and resources are the only limitations... that and the restraints put upon them by other people.

While microwave ovens and starships are a long way apart, the ingenuity and process of discovery of new ideas are the same.
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Old July 1 2013, 05:09 PM   #17
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How can someone claim to be a "realist" if they're going to handwave away reality? More important than time and resources are the laws of physics that dictate the limitations on what humans can achieve. You can't ignore physics.
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Old July 1 2013, 05:55 PM   #18
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^Because you can be a realist but still realize that we don't know everything when it comes to physics yet. The door hasn't shut on all the possibilities yet.
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Old July 1 2013, 07:26 PM   #19
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So we should ignore what we do know just because non-physicists think the laws of physics can be broken if someone believes hard enough?
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Old July 4 2013, 09:12 PM   #20
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^Because you can be a realist but still realize that we don't know everything when it comes to physics yet. The door hasn't shut on all the possibilities yet.
Thank you, sojourner. I am glad you understand it.
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So we should ignore what we do know just because non-physicists think the laws of physics can be broken if someone believes hard enough?
Until Copernicus, everyone knew the universe revolved around the Earth.
Until Einstein, physicists did not know about e=mc squared.
Until the Hadron Collider was built, physicists did not know many of the things they now know atoms.
Who is to say that what physicists "know" today won't be challenged tomorrow?
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Old July 4 2013, 10:15 PM   #21
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Most scientific research is refinement not revolutionary. What we know now is unlikely to be overturned, just refined. It would take a lot of refinement to lead to starships as seen in Trek. Pinning your hopes on a wholesale revolution in physics is unrealistic.
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Old July 4 2013, 10:25 PM   #22
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^Would be so funny if a news report came out tomorrow saying scientists had found a way to make an ftl drive using microwave radiation.
They forgot the strong cup of tea in their equations.
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