Star Trek: Axanar

Bitch was used in Star Trek VI...

 

Wasn't that line cut from the movie?

 

Theatrical version? Yes. Was back in the Director's Edition.

 

I know.

 

Re, canonical "bitch" references.

"Son of a bitch" was used in several movies and in various ENT episodes, including e.g. TWOK and "Broken Bow."

For an instance when a woman (Alicia Travers) was called a bitch to her face, see ENT "Storm Front" (part 1).

 

Actually S.O.B. was used by McCoy in TSFS.

 

^ Yep. That would be one of the several movies I was referring to.

 

Man. It is amusing to see you guys going to such lengths to justify this.

It's still a cumbersome, clumsy and offensive line to me which despite all the other positives of the film, sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

We were just putting to rest the spurious notion that "Star Trek went fifty years without needing anyone to use an insult like this."

It doesn't actually require justification as such. It's art; those who made Prelude made the decision to include it. I might say that it doesn't offend me, that it's Star Trek-y enough for me, or that I think it's effective in context, all of which reflect my opinion, but that's really as far as I need to go. I didn't make Prelude; I don't have to justify squat.

 

Then the Axanar people don't need to justify it beyond it being a creative decision.

 

Quite so.

 

A creative decision, yes. But a terrible one nonetheless. But, I digress. Clearly we all have our opinions on the matter and aren't going to change our minds.

 

Yes.

 

I just watched the prelude film again. I find the line suitably within context of how it's set up. It doesn't seem out of place.

 

Yes, I think we all know by now.

Time to move on...

 

Well, this statement was made in a time before classic trek. One could speculate, humankind was still a little ruffer and closer to our selfish, blunt and insulting capitalistic elbow times right now. So their speach would also be a little more drastic...

Anyhow, they say the first shoot is scheduled for June 13th! I am exited!

 

Which is a good thing. If we all felt the same way, the world would be a pretty dull place and there would be no need for places like this.

 

Indeed. It's the Klingons' term of grudging appreciation for an enemy warrior.

 

I am trying to imagine her as a flag officer just after the Organian Peace Treaty, and at a diplomatic function drawing up how things will work with a young Klingon warrior as one of the Klingon negotiators. He keeps thinking he recognizes her name for the first day. The negotiations don't go very well that day. He thinks about it later and remembers his father's stories about the Four Years War over twenty year prior.

He goes back the next day, and asks, "Where you called the 'Queen Bitch Whore of the Federation'?" She answers, "Yes. What of it?" His character changes to more or less fanboy mode like she's some kind of great warrior of legends (Think Worf going on about Kor before meeting him in person). Even asking for her to carve an autograph in his shoulder. Negotiations went much better after that.

 

Gosh, Worf was kind of fanboyish over the prospect of meeting Kirk in "Trials..." too.

No, it didn't bother me. Chauvinism is sort of established as part of the Klingon ethos. ("We do not equip our ships with.........nonessentials.")

And given the time setting, that would be more pronounced.