ST:TMP on Blu-Ray - a second look

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Procutus, Nov 30, 2011.

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Which version of TMP do you like the best?

  1. Original Theatrical Version/Blu-Ray

    11 vote(s)
    19.6%
  2. Director's Edition DVD

    37 vote(s)
    66.1%
  3. Extended Version/Original VHS and 1983 ABC broadcast

    8 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. Oso Blanco

    Oso Blanco Commodore Commodore

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    The SLV on BluRay ... please, please please ... let me get what I want!
     
  2. Oso Blanco

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    There is a selfmade DVD out there, made up from officially available material. And apart from the "Kirk leaves the airlock" scene I couldn't see any unfinished sets.
     
  3. Procutus

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    You're absolutely right about the difference in Kirk's spacesuit, yet I confess that when the DE was released ten years ago, I had been hoping that one of the things they'd do with the new CGI work was to finish the airlock scene and show the rest of the ship behind him. But from an editing point of view, I can understand why they didn't.

    It's right up there with not having actually included the scene with Kirk and Nogura. Though in GR novel (ghosted by ADF), I'm not even sure that a scene was filmed... I know there was discussion of having cast an Asian actor for Nogura, but I don't think it came to pass.

    Therin, you're well-versed on this movie; is there a missing scene that was filmed or was that just for the novelization?
     
  4. Indysolo

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    The Nogura scene was never filmed.

    It's been confirmed numerous times that Gene Roddenberry did indeed write the TMP novelization and not Alan Dean Foster.

    Neil
     
  5. The Castellan

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    Same here. Felt very TOS, and I can live with inferior visual effects, especially considering that there was a strike at the time. Had the strike not happened, I bet this film would be getting a lot less flack than it does right now.:bolian:
     
  6. Procutus

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    Thanks for the clarification. I still thought that there was some speculation that Foster did in fact, write the book.
     
  7. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    Are you sure that Foster didn't write the book, based on the script written by GR?

    I never knew GR was that type of writer.
     
  8. Harvey

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    IIRC, according to the introduction to The Making of Star Trek--The Motion Picture, Roddenberry was unable to participate fully in that book because he had a commitment to write the tie-in novelization. (Though, being Roddenberry, he still took co-authorship credit and, presumably, half the royalties). That suggests to me that he wrote it.
     
  9. Maurice

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    ^^^It's not written like Foster's work. It ain't Foster.
     
  10. David cgc

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    Oh, he's not, but that didn't keep him from trying. One of the big giveaways (aside from the adolescent sexuality) was long stretches of narration would be italicized for emphasis, a fairly common practice in scripts, but awful form in a prose novel.
     
  11. Maurice

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    ^^^You don't italicize in scripts, you underline! And only bad writers do that very much at all.
     
  12. Therin of Andor

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    The novelization was not ghost written by ADF. That was "Star Wars". Contractually, he wasn't supposed to confirm that it wasn't written by George Lucas, but he leaked it out. "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" was his original thank you for ghostwriting the novelization (and keeping it quiet).

    The rumour that ADF ghost wrote TMP's novelization as well supposedly comes from an error in the first printing of the French translation, where his "story by..." screen credit (for turning "Robot's Return" into "In Thy Image" - and that was all he did, but contractually was promised a "story by..." credit by Roddenberry despite future rewrites) was placed on the title page, but Roddenberry's and Harold Livingston's were accidentally left off. ADF has denied in print interviews that he ghost wrote it - and he has no reason to lie - and Susan Sackett's reports from the set mentioned that, towards the end of filming, GR was often "at home", desperately working on the novelization. The novelization is definitely not in ADF's distinct style. The limited edition hardcover is dedicated "To Majel".

    It was not cast or filmed. Toshiro Mifune was supposedly being sought. I believe "Chekov's Enterprise", Koenig's diary on the making of the movie, has a discussion that someone suggested the role to be played by Roddenberry himself. A wall was created for Nogura's office, but not required.

    Only from fans who won't listen. ;)
     
  13. Procutus

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    Okay, I stand completely corrected! :lol: Sorry about the faulty memory concerning Foster.

    It's been years since I read the novelization, though I do recall the extensive use of italicized passages, as mentioned by a number of folks. If I can find it, I'll refamiliarize myself with GR's unusual style of writing.
     
  14. milo bloom

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    That one must have stuck in my head as a bigger problem than it actually is, sorry for the confusion.

    Still, to me, that means it might be easier to create a widescreen release of the SLV for Blu/DVD if that's the only major scene that would need CGI touchups.

    I grew up with the SLV on VHS, and there's so many little beats that are missing from the theatrical and the director's cut that I still miss. I also grew up with a taped-from-TV copy of TWOK and getting the theatrical cut on the first DVD they released of that movie was pretty jarring. Was very glad to get the extended cut on the two disc DVD set and I still hold out a tiny spark of hope for nice version of the TMP SLV.


    (Amusing counterpoint [well, amusing to me, anyways], unlike TWOK and TMP which were expanded for TV viewings, my taped-from-TV versions of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were cut for time. Having watched those tapes so many times as a child, I'm still thrown off by the full versions sometimes.)



    One more thought, the extended TV cut of David Lynch's Dune was once thought to be relegated to 4x3 showings only, but the last DVD release of Lynch's film included both the theatrical cut in 16x9 for the first time, but then also a 16x9 enhanced widescreen transfer of the longer cut. There were still a few unfinished FX and other minor bugaboos, but for fans of that cut like myself, it was still far more than we had ever hoped to own.
     
  15. Phantassm

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    What he said.
     
  16. 22 Stars

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    This. Now would you PLEASE sit down ;)

    And could we get Darren the funds to give us the DE on Bluray!?
     
  17. Maurice

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    Plans for Nogura's office appear on page 53 of the Phase II book and are dated 10-10-77, so were probably built for the aborted TV movie. The walls were repurposed to be the cargo pod-containing walls seen in the cargo deck in TMP.
     
  18. Procutus

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    That would've been all kinds of awewsome if they could've actually gotten Mifune to play the part of Nogura. I would've relished watching him and Shatner do the scene as it was written in the Roddenberry-penned novelization.

    :bolian:

    Funny how a character who never actually made it to the screen continues to have an impact on Trek, as Nogura has been featured in the Vanguard novels.
     
  19. Maurice

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    ^^^
    Philip Kaufman wanted Mifune to play a Klingon in his aborted Planet of the Titans film, so that wouldn't be the first time his name came up on a Star Trek movie wish list.
     
  20. 22 Stars

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    Instead of Robau in Trek 09, they should have named/made the character Nogura, that would have fun. Shame he wouldn't live to have that conversation years later with James Kirk.