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Old July 22 2014, 11:57 PM   #31
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Re: Flipped ship?

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The upside down version of the Enterprise does not look all that bad.

Umm....

If it doesn't look like a swan--it doesn't look like anything.
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Old July 23 2014, 02:07 AM   #32
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Re: Flipped ship?

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The upside down version of the Enterprise does not look all that bad.

Umm....

If it doesn't look like a swan--it doesn't look like anything.
Poetically stated.

Correctky oriented (as MJ intended it) it looks like it's in flight. Otherwise it just looks weird.
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Old July 23 2014, 02:36 AM   #33
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Re: Flipped ship?

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publiusr wrote: View Post
EnterpriseGeek wrote: View Post
The upside down version of the Enterprise does not look all that bad.

Umm....

If it doesn't look like a swan--it doesn't look like anything.
Poetically stated.

Correctky oriented (as MJ intended it) it looks like it's in flight. Otherwise it just looks weird.
http://fsd.trekships.org/art/images/de-7.gif

Bottle left.

As for upside down Enterprise

http://z0.enha.kr/http://rigvedawiki...s/MUSAILPT.jpg
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Old July 25 2014, 03:30 AM   #34
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Star Trek II. The Enterprise goes down vertical and then comes up behind the Reliant, taking advantage of Khan's 2D thinking.
That's sort of 2D as well, Enterprise should have just pitched up and fired at Reliant from underneath (granted, not as cool of a shot as the Enterpise rising from behind).
It's still a case of moving vertically, though. And with both ships pretty much flying blind within the Mutara Nebula, the Enterprise maneuvering up and behind the Reliant in order to get as close as possible to see her (without being detected in the process) might have been the best option at the time.
Well, yeah, except as presented, they basically maneuvered into the position where their target presented the *smallest* possible profile before taking their shot. With the phaser lock inoperative, if they had come up underneath, they could have had the largest possible target profile instead. And since sensors were apparently down, they probably still would have gone undetected, too.

Maybe Kirk was just showing off!
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Old July 25 2014, 07:38 AM   #35
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If I understand what Chekov was aiming for on his own ship (since Reliant technically was his ship now that Captain Terrell was dead) was the photon torpedo launchers and the warp nacelles. This makes it impossible for Reliant to escape and impossible for Khan to return fire. The trouble is that these things (to properly hit them) are on opposite sides of the saucer in the up and down plain. Thus to hit both, you need to hit them from the front or back aspect of the ship. The Enterprise's photon torpedo launcher is forward firing. And with targeting down, they'd likely have to dumb fire the thing. Note that that last attack on Reliant was two torpedoes and a single phaser strike. The phasers they could have fired from just about any angle in Enterprise given that she is somewhat covered in phaser turrets. But the torpedoes only go one way.
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Old July 25 2014, 09:33 PM   #36
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The faceted hull on Carey's dreadnaught makes sense. I always pictured that (octagonal?) saucer each having a torpedo bay for each firing arc.

Now if you had a pointy end first, all tubes/phasers would miss the two bottom nacelles below the saucer, and the top nacelle, whose pylon would be in between two facets.
Have the secondary hull have two whopper torpedoes pure fore and aft.
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Old July 26 2014, 12:40 PM   #37
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That's sort of 2D as well, Enterprise should have just pitched up and fired at Reliant from underneath (granted, not as cool of a shot as the Enterpise rising from behind).
It's still a case of moving vertically, though. And with both ships pretty much flying blind within the Mutara Nebula, the Enterprise maneuvering up and behind the Reliant in order to get as close as possible to see her (without being detected in the process) might have been the best option at the time.
Well, yeah, except as presented, they basically maneuvered into the position where their target presented the *smallest* possible profile before taking their shot. With the phaser lock inoperative, if they had come up underneath, they could have had the largest possible target profile instead. And since sensors were apparently down, they probably still would have gone undetected, too.
If they had done that, they would have been detected because the Enterprise had to basically fire at point-blank range with phaser lock inoperative.
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Old July 26 2014, 11:36 PM   #38
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^ How so? Weren't both ships limited to what they could see through the forward viewscreen? With sensors down, as long as Kirk didn't maneuver directly in front of Khan, it doesn't seem like he would have been spotted.

(Assuming Khan didn't change the angle on the viewer. But since he obviously didn't switch to "aft view" at any time, is it any more likely he'd switch to "straight down view"?)
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Old July 27 2014, 04:37 AM   #39
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Spock was able to somewhat detect Reliant via some sort of energy spikes. "An impulse turn", I believe was the line just before the suggestion to think three dimensionally came up.
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Old July 27 2014, 04:39 AM   #40
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Spock was able to somewhat detect Reliant via some sort of energy spikes. "An impulse turn", I believe was the line just before the suggestion to think three dimensionally came up.
Something along the lines of: "Sporadic energy readings. Port side, aft. It could be an impulse turn."
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Old July 30 2014, 03:01 PM   #41
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I wonder why they just did not give some people communicators and send them to look out those windows...
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Old July 30 2014, 03:04 PM   #42
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That would be a sweet design for a Roomba.
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