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Old July 11 2014, 06:20 PM   #466
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^^. You are grossly oversimplifying what happened. The vast majority of Germans, including the military, didn't subscribe to the Nazi mentality. Most people went along with what was happening out of fear.
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Old July 11 2014, 06:24 PM   #467
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The vast majority of Germans, including the military, didn't subscribe to the Nazi mentality. Most people went along with what was happening out of fear.
That's kinda what I think we saw in "Fairest of Them All". But that's my interpretation and opinion, of course. YMMV.
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Old July 11 2014, 06:27 PM   #468
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Well of course I am, history never IS that simple. But enough of it is true in this case.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:55 PM   #469
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Well of course I am, history never IS that simple. But enough of it is true in this case.
No. The way you're saying it makes it sound like most of the country was enthusiastically following Hitler. That wasn't the case.
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Old July 11 2014, 08:21 PM   #470
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they used social engineering to mindfuck an entire generation of germans,
Are you referring to this? This was the Nazi party's plan, in their quest for aryan glory. Whether or not this ''training'' took hold depended on each citizen.

http://www.ithaca.edu/history/journa...zification.htm

And when I say ''enough of it is true in this case.'', what I mean is, that they succeeded in creating enough ''psychopaths'' i.e.: citizens with zero empathy for the lives of Jews/gays/gypsies/non-aryans, that a program of this kind on steroids could create a movement such as the Empire from Mirror Mirror.

Anyway I've exhausted pretty much all I have to say about this STC episode. Most of you people love it, I find it just ok. Moving on...
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Old July 11 2014, 09:24 PM   #471
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^^. You are grossly oversimplifying what happened. The vast majority of Germans, including the military, didn't subscribe to the Nazi mentality. Most people went along with what was happening out of fear.
I question your unsupported statement. This isn't the place for this sort of discussion, but I can't leave this hanging. When Hitler gave his "expand or die" speech I didn't see many frightened people in the crowd.

The ability of charismatic people/politicians to influence a largely ignorant population is probably well documented, but I'm no expert.
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Old July 11 2014, 10:04 PM   #472
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On a lighter note, at least this discussion gives me that opportunity to share my first and only attempt at acting. I'm pretty sure I shared this here years ago. You will spot the TOS homage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYySaojO4gw
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Old July 14 2014, 05:34 AM   #473
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I can't help but wonder what might have been if this Star Trek Continues episode had been a story of the time the mirror characters spent in "our" universe. Do we actually know if the four of them spent the entire time in the brig, rapping their cups on the bars? Spock put them in the brig for something, and that would seem to me to be a very big deal.

Not to mention "our" Spock knowing - and this always bothered me - just when to put the four in the transporter.

To me it all adds up to a potential story.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:19 AM   #474
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Considering how Mirror Kirk seem to generally behave it probably didn't take Prime Spock long to figure something was really off the rails. He probably locked them up before they could do any real damage. Indeed the Mirror landing party could well have given themselves away right off by immediately railing about everything being different from what they expected aboard their Enterprise.
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Old July 14 2014, 06:25 PM   #475
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LMFAOschwarz wrote: View Post
I can't help but wonder what might have been if this Star Trek Continues episode had been a story of the time the mirror characters spent in "our" universe. Do we actually know if the four of them spent the entire time in the brig, rapping their cups on the bars? Spock put them in the brig for something, and that would seem to me to be a very big deal.

Not to mention "our" Spock knowing - and this always bothered me - just when to put the four in the transporter.

To me it all adds up to a potential story.
I agree - while certainly not necessary, there is enough wiggle room, so to speak, to craft such a story. Perhaps as a "long" vignette?
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Old July 14 2014, 06:49 PM   #476
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Mirror Kirk: "I don't know why everyone is out of uniform and you look stupid without a beard, Spock. For now, though, the Halkans have refused to cooperate and so execute standing orders: destroy them by phaser barrage."

Prime Spock: "Fascinating. Of course that is quite impossible, Captain. Security, detain the landing party until we understand what has transpired."

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Old July 14 2014, 06:52 PM   #477
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Congratulations! You were able to make your (redundant) point in less than four paragraphs.
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Old July 14 2014, 07:06 PM   #478
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I think that "Fairest" was technically well executed, and perhaps the best effort to date for recapturing the look and feel of TOS.

Where "Fairest" falls down is in the basic premise. I cannot imagine that many of the crew of the ISS Enterprise changing sides so rapidly. It's completely implausible.
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Old July 15 2014, 03:47 AM   #479
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It's the mirror landing party in the transporter at just the right time that gives me pause to wonder. How was that achieved?

First of all, if mirror Kirk and mirror companions beamed aboard and behaved as Warped9 suggests, would they be thrown in the brig, or taken to sickbay for examinations? I can't imagine Spock immediately deducing that the landing party's unusual behavior is due to them being duplicates from another universe!

And how to handle something "medical" on the show with McCoy as one of the patients? Heck, you could bring in M'Benga, or the casually-referenced Dr. Sanchez.

Spock, also, had to have been able to know what the real Kirk was up to. If he knew when they were going to beam out, it's possible that 'our' Spock had used a variation of the tantalus field (or whatever it was called), which mirror Kirk had absconded for personal gain. That use of the same technology for 'good' and 'evil' purposes simultaneously could be interesting!
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Old July 15 2014, 04:12 AM   #480
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^^ I was being a bit facetious, but the essential point is still viable. Spock himself later says that the Miiror landing party were unable to convincingly act as civilized people. This implies that the Mirror Kirk and company might have tried to fake it (as Prime a Kirk and his group had in the Mirror Universe) but soon gave themselves away. Earlier Spock remarks some sort of transposition had taken place and plays it extra safe by securing them all in the Brig. And Mirror Kirk's remarks in that scene seem to suggest that not much time has passed since they arrived in the Prime Universe.

But I agree it's unexplained how Spock knew when to throw them into the transporter. Or maybe he, too, figured out the temporary bridge between universes (caused by the ion storm) was rapidly closing and opted to get the Mirror counterparts to the transporter room at pretty much the last minute.
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