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Old September 25 2014, 02:49 PM   #451
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Nice! I always like to see larger multi-story spaces!
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Old September 25 2014, 03:15 PM   #452
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Although it wasn't my initial plan I felt it was simpler to use the overall shape of the pool lounge as the basis for the dual-level main lounge albeit mirrored. I simply eleminated the shower and sauna rooms on the end and turned the pool's shape (tweaked) into the open space between Decks 5 and 6 and added a railing around it. I still have to add stairs to allow access to either level within the lounge itself.

On both lounges there were minor tweaks. The pool lounge's floor was lowered 7 ins. to allow for a bit more ceiling height to augment the illusion of an open sky when the ceiling depicts a day or night sky vista. That's why there is a step down from the access points to the pool proper. The pool itself takes up most of the space of the deck directly below and is surrounded by a maintenance space all around it. The standard ceiling on Deck 5 is 8 ft., but the pool lounge proper is 8'-7".

The upper level of the starboard lounge is 8 ft., the same as the rest of Deck 5. The lower level, however, is 9 ft. given the ceiling/floor between the two levels is only 1 ft.

I still have to detail it, but the railing support on the upper level is a near transparent materiel to create the illusion of a solid railing suspended in midair. I could have made the railing supports simple posts, but I wanted to eliminate any possibility of an object or person possibly slipping over the edge and down to the deck below. A transparent or transluscent support just seemed more futuristic.

I don't recall referencing it anywhere else in this thread, but I will have to give thought to the ship's athletic centre. There will be an exercise area as well as a space where different games could be played.
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Old September 25 2014, 04:19 PM   #453
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On another forum some discussions have been going on about how TOS could be rebooted for television.


A reboot can take two basic approaches.

When TNG premiered we had something of an arms length reboot, at least in the beginning. Essentially the idea was to supposedly be set within the same continuity as what came before, but avoiding a lot of overt references to what came before. Any references to the past were usually tangental and vague. Note in TNG's "The Naked Now" the crew of the E-D discover that the TOS Enterprise crew dealt with a similar situation. But they refer to the previous event and who is associated with it as if it could have been just anybody. There's no, "OMG, the great Kirk dealt with this, too?" kind of thing. It was just another ship in another time. Of course, this would change as the series progressed (in fits-and-starts) and throughout the other spin-off series. It happens again in DS9 during their first Mirror Universe encounter where Bashir has heard of Kirk but Kira hasn't
Actually, I think vague references could work well in dialog. For a post-Dominion war (post Klingon war? post Romulan war?) I can imagine people making references to "veterans" and "the war" without being too specific-the recent cataclysm is implied, because that will dominate peoples' reactions to such terms.

A change of uniform could be another marker that is somewhat vague. Is this just a fashion change within the orignal universe, or are we in an alternative timeline? And with fashion, of course, retro styles are possible, with fashion designers taking inspiration from the past. Take a look at Firefly.

On the other hand, references to ancient history could be detailed, giving the present a sense of depth without being too specific about current events. This worked well in one episode of Andromeda when Dylan Hunt made a reference to "ancient" Earth history-World War II.

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Old September 25 2014, 05:10 PM   #454
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Come to think of it, the use of "star dates" is also ambiguous. It is implied that time is being kept track of, without specific references to the traditional calender.
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Old September 25 2014, 05:36 PM   #455
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The use of stardates was effective in two ways. Firstly, it helped with the story narrative. You could recap what had already transpired (for those late tuning in) without having characters spend time going over what had already happened. It also served as a suggestive time keeping system to give a sense of time passing during and between events.
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Old September 25 2014, 05:54 PM   #456
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A practical consideration. Considering that the food processors are essentially small transporters beaming food and beverages to whichever destination might not the waste system (such as toilets work in similar fashion only in reverse? Instead of having conventional style plumbing all over the ship for what would be numerous toilets why could the waste be beamed to the rclamation/recycling areas for processing?

Indeed sure, because waste food could likely be put back into the processors and returned to wherever they came from. So toilets could work the same way.

Another measure (for food waste) would be slots or conventional looking disposal bins that are just food processors in reverse.

It's unlikely you will ever get everybody to clean up properly after themselves after eating, at least in a public place. Go to any fast-food restaurant or employee lunch room and see how many people leave wrappers, dishes and uneaten food behind for someone else to clean up. And usually there's a waste bin not six feet away. But a small group of robots could pick up the slack for those who are incurably lazy. Imagine a somewhat R2D2 or Wall-E style bot (slightly taller) able to clear away plates and such as well as clean up crumbs and spills.
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Old September 27 2014, 03:31 PM   #457
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All that's really left for the Main Lounge is to add some tables and chairs. Although this is roughly equivalent to TNG's Ten Forward you can see I didn't bother with a bar setup. That always struck me as something put in to give Whoopi Goldberg something to do. That said there could be someone in charge of overseeing the lounges and crew messes. It might be that food choices would not actually be unlimited (on a large scale) and that someone oversaw the available menus on a day-by-day basis and program the processors accordingly. This might conceivably simplify and speed up things in terms of delivery, I guess it all comes down to what limitations one chooses to apply.



You can see at each end there is an alcove with a stairwell access to the level below (or above as the case may be). At each end there are also bathrooms (which I haven't bothered to detail. These bathrooms are also accessible from the corridor as well as the lounge itself.


I'm giving some thought to the crew messes at the centre of Deck 5. I'm figuring that the messes (officer's mess included) should be able to handle two-thirds of the crew compliment at a given time. It's highly unlikely it would arise when everyone aboard would be eating at the same time. We can also assume that there will be individuals who might break or eat in their quarters, offices and lounges as well as the mess.
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Old September 28 2014, 04:07 PM   #458
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I've laid out the main crew lounges, one port and one starboard of the turbolift hub at the centre of Deck 5. I've been able to calculate that each mess could seat at least 120 people (using tables seating four such as I've used already in the Officer's Mess). So with two same sized mess that can service 240 persons. Add that to the 64 persons the Officer's Mess can service equals 304 persons. That's 51 percent of ship's complement (assuming the crew complement is 585). That leaves 86 people to be accommodated in other venues throughout the ship whether it be in crew lounges, crew cabins and offices (to accommodate two-thirds of ship's complement at the same time). Of course there is sufficient room to add a third crew mess in the main hull, but I think it would be better to add the third mess in the secondary hull or maybe even on one of the dorsal decks. That would mean personnel in the secondary hull wouldn't have to truck it all the way up into the saucer for their meal breaks. And adding that third mess would mean sufficient facilities to service more than two-thirds of the crew at any given time.

I'm considering whether I can use the sections immediately fore and aft of the Deck 5 turbolift hub for the ship's gymnasium and athlectic areas. I'm toying with the idea of allowing for sections where the floor is set lower and the ceiling higher to accommodate activities such as raquet sports such as squash, raquetball, handball and maybe even tennis. I think I could accommodate an 11 to 11-1/2 ft. ceiling for this section, but I don't know if that would be enough, at least for some sports.


...Okay, I checked. For inside raquet sports such as squash and handball and the like you need a ceiling of 18-1/2 ft. and tennis would be at least that if not more. So that means to accommodate those sports I will need areas that can extend through two decks. It's not impossible, but I'll have to really think about it and where they could be located. A tennis court also has to be near 100 x 60 ft. in size and I might not be able to accommodate that.
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Old September 28 2014, 04:27 PM   #459
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Okay, checking further I can accommodate two or maybe three interior raquet sport courts. If not in the saucer than certainly in the dorsal. But I can't accommodate a tennis court because it simply takes too much room. Theoretically there is sufficient room in the dorsal for a tennis court except you have the turboloft shaft getting in the way. It could perhaps be redesigned, but that's a lot more effort than I'm willing to put in for something like a tennis court. This is also why I passed over an Olympic sized pool because it takes up way too much space.

Looking at my present Deck 5 layout I will have to make some minor modifications, but I will be able to accommodate two interior raquet courts as well as a reasonable space for an exercise area with requisite equipment. This will be aft of the trubolift hub. I think I can also have an area for other activities such as boxing, martial arts, fencing and hand-to-hand training as well as certain gymnastics. This will be forward of the turbolift hub.

I think it's proving to be have been a good idea for me to have a 2 ft. space between decks because it is allowing me the flexibility to have areas of varying ceiling height when needed. I wouldn't have had the same flexibility if I had gone with a 1 ft. or even 6 in. between decks space.
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