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Old September 8 2014, 08:18 PM   #151
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Re: After Star Trek 3 would you want an immediate reboot?

I'm betting they go animated with the movie characters and move the timeline on a bit with new characters for live action or movie franchise.
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Old September 8 2014, 09:58 PM   #152
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So if it's really mature can they still sell a bunch of toys?
Star wars, marvel and DC all sell millions of toys and these series are mature because they have grown up fans. the thing is this series or franchises are just family friendly. there is something for everyone.kids, grown ups/adults.

star trek at times feels it is catering to a certain audience. an audience of smart asses. maybe this is why it has never been huge at the box office.
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Old September 8 2014, 10:07 PM   #153
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star trek at times feels it is catering to a certain audience. an audience of smart asses.
(emphasis mine)

That was completely unnecessary to whatever point you may have been attempting to make, and I'm sure I've asked you before to refrain from taking potshots at other fans or fan groups.

Please don't do it again.
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Old September 8 2014, 10:42 PM   #154
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star trek at times feels it is catering to a certain audience. an audience of smart asses.
(emphasis mine)

That was completely unnecessary to whatever point you may have been attempting to make, and I'm sure I've asked you before to refrain from taking potshots at other fans or fan groups.

Please don't do it again.
please I do not understand, what i said is not meant to be an insult or to refer to a specific person in a negative way.

it was actually a compliment. when i use the term smart ass, i meant people who are highly intellectual and intelligent and this is what star trek is know for. In fact that is why it is so influential as a series to NASA and to modern science.
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Old September 8 2014, 11:18 PM   #155
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xavier wrote: View Post
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star trek at times feels it is catering to a certain audience. an audience of smart asses.
(emphasis mine)

That was completely unnecessary to whatever point you may have been attempting to make, and I'm sure I've asked you before to refrain from taking potshots at other fans or fan groups.

Please don't do it again.
please I do not understand, what i said is not meant to be an insult or to refer to a specific person in a negative way.

it was actually a compliment. when i use the term smart ass, i meant people who are highly intellectual and intelligent and this is what star trek is know for. In fact that is why it is so influential as a series to NASA and to modern science.
Being a smart ass, or passive aggressive condescension(which is often the tone with some posters), usually denotes insecurity, and ones inability to articulate their point of view, as well as a narrow perspective. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

Personally I feel that being able to effectively communicate your point with humility and sincerity is more an indication of intellect than being a smart ass; and it also denotes wisdom and a broad perspective.

I have a hard time believing Astronauts or NASA scientists would patronize people the way I see on this board every day.
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Old September 8 2014, 11:35 PM   #156
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Re: After Star Trek 3 would you want an immediate reboot?

xavier wrote: View Post
M'Sharak wrote: View Post
xavier wrote: View Post
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star trek at times feels it is catering to a certain audience. an audience of smart asses.
(emphasis mine)

That was completely unnecessary to whatever point you may have been attempting to make, and I'm sure I've asked you before to refrain from taking potshots at other fans or fan groups.

Please don't do it again.
please I do not understand, what i said is not meant to be an insult or to refer to a specific person in a negative way.

it was actually a compliment. when i use the term smart ass, i meant people who are highly intellectual and intelligent and this is what star trek is know for. In fact that is why it is so influential as a series to NASA and to modern science.
I wasn't asking for an excuse, and especially not such a ludicrously flimsy one.

While the term "smart ass" (or "smart-arse," if you will) may not always be meant as a direct insult, but it has never at any time meant what you say it does.

To make it more clear: regardless of terminology employed, what you want to do is to keep your focus on the movies themselves and topics related thereto. Talk about those.

Avoid altogether comments concerning fans and fan groups. You don't appear to have the knack for making such observations without resorting to labeling those people "haters" or "smart asses" or "ignorant". That being the case, it would be much better for you to simply leave that whole area alone.
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Old September 8 2014, 11:46 PM   #157
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Re: After Star Trek 3 would you want an immediate reboot?

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Unless the sets look like TOS it will absolutely require a hefty budget.
Actually, these days "sets" are a lot more like they were in the TOS days than they were in the modern-Trek era.

Though, instead of Styrofoam rocks, there are round plastic balls painted green.

Green-screening has replaced so much of the location shooting, nowadays. And it's really cheap, and the quality is constantly getting better.

Take a show like Covert Affairs. It has a tiny USA Network budget, yet the stories place the characters in any and ever city around the world each week. The cities are recreated via green-screening. Compare the early episodes of the show, which did look fake at times, to the ones of the current season, which, if you didn't know any better, could pass for the real locations.

And those are real places. Imagine how much better the technology could work for some fantasy planet out in the galaxy: what used to be a handicap is now an advantage.

Ya I'm sure the production costs for BSG were EXACTLY the same as Andromeda or Lexx.
Actually, search the web for production costs, and the stats might surprise you.

BSG's biggest coast was the pilot movie. It ballooned out of control, but most of that was attributed to poor accounting and excessive spending on Moore's part. If you exclude the cost of the pilot, the average cost per episode for the first season in estimated (since Sciffy hasn't released the numbers) to be between $1 and $1.2 million per episode. (Really cheap by modern standards.) Once Sky pulled there end of the funding, the cost dropped to ~$850,000 per.

Now, of course, a lot of this was because, since the pilot cost so damn much (Some say as much as $16M.), that they really had to "tighten their belts" for the rest of that first season, and once Sky dropped its support they had to go even further just to say afloat.

Comparatively, Andromeda is estimated at around $600,000 and B5 at around $900,000 per episode. I couldn't find anything on Lexx.

That's not to say (modern) Star Trek hasn't been a bit on the spendy side. I think the average cost of the four shows runs about $3.5-4M adjusted. But for comparison's sake, Thrones is now running close $6M per episode. Also, since Netfilx gets thrown into the conversation so often, it should be pointed out that that 3-4M number is right around the same as Orange/Black and HoC.

But that's not really the point. The point is, just because Trek shows have been kind of expensive, doesn't mean that a new one automatically has to be, especially with modern technology.

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All sets are made out of the same wood and paint. The biggest cost difference (aside from inflation) is how big the sets are, how many sets there are, and possibly how many pricey flat screen monitors they want to use in them.
Yup.

And really, any "boldly going" series could get away with three sets: bridge, engineering, and maybe a transporter room. They can all be mad modular so that any other ship-side set they need can be a redress. They could all fit in a single soundstage barn, with room to spare for the green-screen stage.

Also, the big elephant in the room when it comes to inflated series budgets is always ultimately actor salaries.
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Old September 9 2014, 12:58 AM   #158
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Re: After Star Trek 3 would you want an immediate reboot?

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Being a smart ass, or passive aggressive condescension(which is often the tone with some posters), usually denotes insecurity, and ones inability to articulate their point of view, as well as a narrow perspective. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

Personally I feel that being able to effectively communicate your point with humility and sincerity is more an indication of intellect than being a smart ass; and it also denotes wisdom and a broad perspective.

I have a hard time believing Astronauts or NASA scientists would patronize people the way I see on this board every day.
Sorry, missed this earlier.

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Old September 9 2014, 01:27 AM   #159
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So I can report people for having egregious personalities? sweet!
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Old September 9 2014, 01:30 AM   #160
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Of course, egregious can either mean bad or good.
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Old September 9 2014, 04:44 AM   #161
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Of course, egregious can either mean bad or good.
no, it can't mean good. Maybe in 1714, but not in 2014.
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Old September 9 2014, 04:54 AM   #162
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So I can report people for having egregious personalities? sweet!
Only if that causes them to break board rules or is otherwise problematic within the context of a given thread.

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Of course, egregious can either mean bad or good.
no, it can't mean good. Maybe in 1714, but not in 2014.
Etymology and word-history discussions should properly go in either Misc. or General TV & Media.

Here, let's stick to Star Trek : Movies : Abramsverse, shall we?

Reboot? Y / N / Maybe

And go.
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Old September 9 2014, 05:19 AM   #163
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I stick with my Maybe, simply because it would mean more Trek.

I grew up with TOS, I warmed up to TNG, ignored DS9 (until recently) and was ok with VOY AND ENT. When Abrams-verse came out, I loved it, because it presented things in a new way that were familiar, and yet different. I saw it as an extension of a concept presented in SG-1 (among others, the list being too long to recount) of parallel universes.

As has been previously discussed in this thread, a reboot could mean a couple of different things.

I would rather Abrams-verse continue and explore that new world to the fullest, and that might mean rehashing old villains or themes. It might mean throwing in some Shakespeare or Khan, or what-have-you.

For me, Abrams-verse really brought out some of the more fun aspects of TOS, with the energy, and kind of a Western feel, with some social commentary thrown in. A reboot could again take the same core concepts, the looking in to the future, the more positive view and positive use of technology, to craft a different style of Trek.

So, I go with maybe. Because any of them could be good
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