Star Trek: Sigils and Unions--"The Hephaestic Oath"

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  1. Nerys Ghemor

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    Sigils and Unions

    "The Hephaestic Oath"


    Author’s Note: This story was written for the Ad Astra "Cures and Their Diseases" challenge. It takes place in my main Sigils and Unions universe, which is an extension of the canon universe of Deep Space Nine. While you’ll recognize the characters from my novel-in-progress, The Thirteenth Order, this story takes place two months before that novel, so there should be minimal to no spoilers and those who are new to my series should find this one an easy place to begin. (Though of course my normal writing has a far greater Cardassian-to-Starfleet ratio than this.)

    Readers should be advised that this story contains strong language and graphic scenes of violence. But given the stupid, needless nature of the death on the series that I intend to "fix" here, for which the series writers totally missed the obvious solution, that should come as no surprise.


    2375—The Dominion War—Two months before Spirodopoulos’ capture
    Federation Position on AR-558

    Medic!

    Spirodopoulos would never be sure which one chilled him worse: the ghastly shriek from the Vulcan, or the next strained utterance—barely a whisper—from his fellow lieutenant commander: “Disregard…it is not logical…”

    Stone shattered above his head at the crack of unnatural lightning—a missed shot? By the Jem’Hadar? Spirodopoulos ducked despite himself, bowing his head—breaking his line of sight—all to keep the shrapnel out of his eyes. No, the Vat-Bastards had done it on purpose. Why waste their power packs on a shot with the intensity to kill a human when a speck of dust and a kar’takin to the brain would do it?

    They had to be programmed for psychological warfare, not just the physical kind. They had to know they were dealing with a race that fancied itself to be bred for anything but war and naively presented its soft bellies to the universe hoping the rest of the universe might just find them too charming to do anything but scratch them and make them purr.

    Saan groaned again…a sound that from a Vulcan meant a bloodcurdling shriek on anyone else.

    Mission accomplished, Jemmies.

    If the intent was to terrify—then oh, yes…he was feeling exactly what they wanted him to feel.

    Shit!” The Indonesian woman behind Spirodopoulos had been the first to reach Commander Saan. Back on the Petraeus, Spirodopoulos would have chided one of his people for that breach of decorum. Here…he concurred with the assessment. Honestly, the only curses that bothered him anymore were the ones that took the Lord’s name in vain. “Vampire gun to the thigh—arterial bleed.”

    “Can we move him?” Ensign Folani called back.

    “Doesn’t look good!”

    “Keep the pressure on!” ordered the Bajoran. “It’s all we’ve got!”

    The Jem’Hadar began to concentrate their fire by the rock formation to the north of them where a smaller contingent of Starfleet soldiers just getting back from patrol were holed up—which of course was where their remaining medic was. All the while, a cadre laid down suppressive fire on the main group where Spirodopoulos crouched, squeezing off half-aimed shots whenever he got an opening. Oh, God…the Jemmies had taken on a mechanical pattern by now—they were picking off the others with the same casual, systematic air as one pulled weeds in a garden.

    Not the time for the urge to throw up to distract one from one’s task—

    To stave off the inevitable.

    Keep firing—keep firing—

    The Jem’Hadar ceased fire, surging forward into the territory they had just reduced to a mess of blood and flame. Tremulous moans—from ghosts even as the life still flowed through their veins—rose up to Spirodopoulos. And still the Jemmies’ perimeter guard had his group pinned; his shots only reached them, could do nothing about the butchery their suppressive fire allowed their comrades to carry out.

    Between shifting bodies and the spots where Jem’Hadar fire had burst before his eyes, Spirodopoulos watched the unnatural soldiers draw their blades and slice arcs through the air, a threshing motion, a grotesque parody of the flail used to separate the wheat and the chaff—but the picture the varicolored jets of blood painted held no meaning, no coherent image. Like a Pollock painting…it simply was—and it was chaos. Entropy in visual form.

    Suddenly even that image shattered with a crack that deafened every soldier in the room, except perhaps the Jem’Hadar. Dismembered chunks blew out from the epicenter, entangled in one final postmortem melee.

    Had there been a last survivor in the separated Starfleet team? Or had they, seeing their demise, laid a trap for their slaughterers and set it to go off at the disturbing of their dead bodies?

    Either way, the explosive had done its grisly work: every Jem’Hadar who had participated in the atrocious ritual was dead. Momentarily distracted and now outnumbered, the group that had trapped Spirodopoulos and his officers found the tables turned. One by one, phaser rifles upraised, the Starfleet contingent vaporized the Dominion cannon fodder, firing as quick as they could lest the Jem’Hadar advance too far, just in case one—

    BOOM.

    The entire subterranean network shook and the compression wave slammed into him straight on this time, catapulting him onto the stone floor back-first.

    “I knew we couldn’t get through this without at least one of those fuckers being a walking Houdini!” Susilaputra snapped once the thunder and the dust and all motion before them ceased at last. All the Jem’Hadar lay dead thanks to the explosive force of one of their own.

    “Shut up,” Folani hissed at the Indonesian chief. “Keep the pressure on. And be grateful Tan-Ryshtak didn’t have to shoot him point-blank.”

    Spirodopoulos hadn’t been there for the reign of the Houdini subspace mines, but he’d heard enough about them. After the Starfleet soldiers learned how to control the mines and turn them against their makers, the Jem’Hadar had come up with a horrific new tactic. No one had ever captured a live one to find out, but the theory went that they had either implanted bombs inside their own bodies or the Founders had even engineered glands to secrete the components of a binary explosive into their blood at times of mortal peril, which detonated at the impact of a high-speed projectile or energy beam, much like tannerite. And that would be just like Jem’Hadar to know how to play the odds of being shot before being poisoned, like a professional gambler.

    The Greek commander whipped out his tricorder, scanning for any more signs of Jemmies in the area. Not that they always showed up shrouded, but there were things you could scan for. If they were close, that is. Gravitational lensing barely even worked to detect the presence of a cloaked ship—which compared more obvious culprits like planets or neutron stars, hardly bent light around its mass, but in a fixed location like this, with extensive baseline scans of the area from many perspectives, occasionally the specialized sensors of the tricorder caught a flicker of something far too subtle for the eye to detect, but by searching for a combination of ordinary light refraction and so-called ‘microlensing,’ sometimes the tricorder could give something of a warning. If you set your commbadge to vibrate like a 21st-century cell phone on silent when the tricorder sensed the probability of Jem’Hadar nearby, sometimes that was enough to avoid tipping off the Jemmies.

    It wasn’t much of a warning—usually they were close enough to blow your face off once they unshrouded, but that split second sometimes meant the difference between life and death.

    Right now his tricorder wasn’t showing anything, so for the sake of sanity Spirodopoulos tried to force his paranoia down and attend to Commander Saan.

    We’re it, he realized. They’d had a doctor…once…and supposedly there’d been a request for a new one, but for security reasons no one knew exactly when the next ship was inbound with her replacement, though they’d been given to understand it would be within a few days. At least Captain Sisko had made sure this place got some kind of attention, but it wasn’t enough. It was never enough here in this place some long-dead Frenchman had spitefully nicknamed ‘Arras.’

    Lieutenant Guarani had been doing one hell of a job as field medic—but the Brazilian had been a victim of the slaughter just now. Damn it, why had he been assigned to a scouting team?

    Because Commander Saan had thought he could handle it; he, like Guarani, had a full field medic’s certification. And now…he’d been shot.

    The vampire gun. The bleeder blaster.

    Just like the walking Houdinis, no one knew exactly how it was the Dominion had managed to imbue chemicals into a directed energy beam. No one had ever detected transporter residue at the site of the wound. Spirodopoulos pulled out his tricorder. He didn’t detect any either. The latest theory involved buckminsterfullerene, one of the largest particles proven to exhibit clear wave-particle duality. The spherical molecule, resembling a pair of geodesic domes, could carry other molecules inside of it without interacting overly much with those same chemicals. The anticoagulant, the theory ran, was carried inside the buckyballs, which broke up on impact with the unfortunate victim, releasing the anticoagulant into his or her bloodstream.

    But the how didn’t matter in the end. What mattered was that Saan was bleeding to death, and the poison would remain in his system for days, or until someone removed it the hard way: a full transfusion in a properly-equipped sickbay.

    The Vulcan stared mutely up at the ceiling of the cave, his nictitating membranes sliding disconcertingly over his irises, leaving the dismal and vacant expression of an elderly, sick cat. A huge, cylindrical section of meat had been blown out of the muscle of his thigh, and continued to seep blood despite the hemostat clamping off the largest artery. But none of the minor vessels would ever clot with the Dominion poison circulating through him; they continued to ooze jade.

    “I think he’s meditating,” Susilaputra whispered from her position kneeling hunched over the Vulcan. “Trying to slow his heartbeat. Slow the bleeding. I’ve already got the main artery clamped—”

    Spirodopoulos leaned over to Ensign Folani. “Do we have any anticoagulant that works on species with copper-based blood?”

    Folani snorted. “You wish. We don’t even have any that would work on ironbloods. Not with that poison anyway.”

    “I suppose it would be too much to hope we have an antidote in there?”

    “What do you think, sir?” Folani shook her head. “How long has Starfleet known about the vampire gun? And you know what else gets me? Even in the Resistance, we could swipe some armor off the Cardassians to make some kind of shield for ourselves. Maybe it wouldn’t stop the blast from coming, but it helped. But Starfleet can’t be bothered to get us some armor. I mean, I know why the Jemmies don’t have armor—”

    “That’s neither here nor there, Ensign,” Spirodopoulos warned. Complaining about Starfleet’s torpid response to the war would accomplish nothing. No matter how good it felt.

    The Founders had walked among them. They knew what to exploit. No armor. No goggles. Hardly anything aside from a phaser rifle and some grenades that resembled anything that a true ground-fighting unit ought to have with them. And hardly any specialists in ground combat—mostly people pulled from shipboard security and tactical duty like Spirodopoulos himself. Even police SWAT teams on freaking ‘Paradise Earth’ were better armed and trained for ground combat than this. Maybe the Founders had even designed these anticoagulant weapons just for them…custom made with ‘care,’ just like that virus for that poor species out there in the Gamma Quadrant.

    Starfleet had known about the vampire gun for two years. Before the official declaration of war, in fact. And with Federation medical science as it was—only just barely behind the Cardassians among the Alpha Quadrant powers—an answer should’ve come far sooner. Or maybe one had, but was just caught up in interminable testing when it was desperately needed on the front lines. As far as Spirodopoulos was concerned, if such a medicine existed, as long as it wasn’t causing people to grow a second head, they ought to just deploy it. This was war.

    And Folani was right about the armor, too. And why the Jem’Hadar didn’t have any. They were expendable. Did Starfleet think they were expendable, too? Or were they just so mentally unprepared for situations that they couldn’t worm their way out of with verbal sleight of hand—or handing populated planets over to the enemy, for God’s sake!—to have any idea what was needed at the front? Were they so bad that even defensive armor looked like undue aggression to their eyes?

    Well, if I’m a war criminal for wishing we’d had something to stop this from happening to us, Spirodopoulos fumed, then so be it!

    “All right, guys…if we don’t think we’re getting a new medic for a few days at least, then let’s hear solutions.” And mercy killing is not an acceptable one.

    Folani started cleaning her phaser rifle. The actions were mechanical; her eyes betrayed the fact that her thoughts were elsewhere. Suddenly she yelped. “Kosst!” she swore. Spirodopoulos could see why: she’d caught her hand on the hot business end of the rifle. Then her eyes lit up. But she didn’t say a word.

    “What?” Spirodopoulos whispered. She still didn’t speak. “Have you got something, Jederia?”

    “I think so,” she whispered back. “But could we find somewhere else for this discussion?”

    It’s got to be bad if she’s worried about creeping out a Vulcan, the human thought, but he acquiesced, leading her a good twenty meters away. Probably still not enough to get totally out of Saan’s hearing, but Spirodopoulos wasn’t willing to separate the group. “What’s your idea?”

    “I’m loath to suggest it,” the Bajoran ensign said, crossing her arms, “but I’m thinking we’ve got to cauterize the wound. I don’t see any other choices.”

    Spirodopoulos winced. It was nasty…it was low-tech…but it could work. “Have you done it before?”

    “Yes, sir…and you’re not going to like it. You can’t really do it with a laser scalpel; they’re made to cut without sealing the area off. And a phaser…it’s not made to handle that precisely. Not to mention the shock to the nervous system isn’t what you want at a time like this. I especially wouldn’t do it to a Vulcan who might need to concentrate on that healing trance or whatever it is he’s doing. Which means we’re going to have to find something to use as a cauter.”

    “Which is?” He thought he knew, but he wanted to hear it confirmed first.

    “A really, really hot metal object that you jam right into the wound.”

    “In other words, we skewer him like souvlaki.”

    Folani gulped—slowly, as though she were trying to force down an egg. She’d seen him eat souvlaki before; she knew what that meant. In better lighting, and with a lighter complexion, Spirodopoulos imagined he would have been able to see her turn green—just as he must have been doing—at that mental image. “Pretty much.”

    It took her several seconds to speak again. “If we’re going to do this, we’d better make sure to have lots of burn salve on hand, and sterile bandages. And antibiotics, too. The cauter itself will be sterilized by the heat, and the wound will be sterile—at first. But burns can infect. Badly.”

    Spirodopoulos nodded. “And we’re not going to be able to move him, either. Not without risking reopening the wound and having to do it again. Or an internal bleed getting started.” And it went without saying that if this went on too long, he was likely to lose the leg, assuming he survived the critical next few days until…maybe…help arrived.

    And there was one more thing, Spirodopoulos knew. “We’re going to have to ask him permission.”

    There was no telling what sort of calculus the Vulcan might do to determine the value of his own life, in light of a possible solution. His first conscious instinct—one that chilled Spirodopoulos—had been to repudiate the cry for a medic that had come from an instinct far deeper than any discipline of Surak.

    The instinct of life itself, screaming to survive.
     
  2. Nerys Ghemor

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    “Commander Saan!” A pause. “Commander?”

    It took several tries to roust him sufficiently from his trance to get an answer. Susilaputra increased her pressure on the wound as his heart rate increased. The Vulcan officer’s eyes opened, locking on Spirodopoulos’ face.

    “Commander Saan,” he tried again. “We have a possible solution. It comes with serious risks. But it might save your life.”

    Spirodopoulos described the solution himself, sparing Ensign Folani the necessity. True, this was a Vulcan they were dealing with, not a being known for vindictiveness, but he figured it would be far better to have Saan’s attention focused upon him, rather than one of his subordinates. Once he finished, he posed the question. “Do you give your consent?”

    Saan drew in a deep, shuddering breath. “As…long as you believe that—that it would not unduly compromise your ability to defend yourselves.” Another breath, long and slow. “I cannot be moved from here.”

    Spirodopoulos solemnly nodded. “We know. And for right now, we aren’t detecting any more Jem’Hadar.”

    Either he was too weak to nod, or deliberately choosing not to expend the energy. Either way, Saan replied, “Then consent…is given.” Then he added something else…something that sent a chill down his spine. “No…painkillers. They disturb my concentration.”

    Folani jumped in. “Are you sure?”

    Saan raised his eyebrow as if to say, Really? You think a Vulcan's lying to you? Perhaps after all this time on 'Arras,' gallows humor had finally rubbed off on him.

    Folani lifted her improvised cauter with her left hand: a thin piece of iron piping from a shelving unit deeper in the Federation encampment. In her right she took a hand phaser and squeezed the trigger, holding it down for a sustained burst. The low pitch of the phaser told Spirodopoulos she had set it just barely above stun, the better to ensure the end of the rod she wanted heated would reach the temperature she needed, but without spiking the temperature so quickly that she burned the hand she gripped it with.

    The rod never glowed, even though in Spirodopoulos’ mind it ought to have. Somehow, with precise judgment that suggested Folani had indeed watched the procedure far too many times, she knew exactly when to release the trigger.
    It assaulted his senses.

    The sight—horrendous pain, the Vulcan’s face split by an involuntary grimace, eyes that screamed but a mouth that only gasped in shock, even now seeking control—control—as thin smoke rose.

    The sound, the smell of the burning flesh—far, far too much like that of hamburger on a griddle.

    It would save his life. He prayed it would save his life.

    Still—it was too much. Spirodopoulos spun around, leaned over, and vomited.

    After it was done, he turned around and looked at the mangled mass of flesh. Mangled…

    …but the bleeding had stopped.
     
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  3. Gul Re'jal

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    Here's my review from AdAstra. Now we can talk about it ;)

    Oh, boy...The cruelty of a battle; fear, death and anger. And then a fight for survival follows. A desperate fight, a fight that many lost before and a horrible solution--but isn't a life the most important thing and worth protecting and saving at all cost?

    "Vampire gun"--a terrible name for a terrible effect of the Jem'Hadar weapon. The Founders don't just want their Jem'Hadar to kill their enemies, the want them to kill slowly and painfully, then want victims to wait for their inevitable deaths with no hope for saving.

    Folani's solution is crude and painful and resembles a torture more than a salvation, but it did stop the bleeding and I hope that it saved Saan's life.
     
  4. Nerys Ghemor

    Nerys Ghemor Vice Admiral Admiral

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    What sucks too is that Starfleet was so ill-prepared for war. I have a feeling that because of their insistence on looking like a peaceful force and not acknowledging that they need to be a military, there were a lot of needless deaths. And their enemy understood that.

    They know how easily the Starfleet soldiers could be demoralized. How they respond to another's distress. So that becomes another weapon to use against them. :(

    Normally, the only hope would be aboard a ship or station with a full infirmary AND a sufficient supply of donor blood, in many cases. Or until the poison naturally breaks down in the body--but most people don't survive long enough for that.

    Sadly, this means Nog got very lucky. Either what was used on him wasn't a vampire gun, or (sorry to be graphic) the fact that his leg was blown to bits actually saved his life: there was nothing left for the poison to enter.

    I tend to think it did. I know Saan lost his leg for sure, but I believe he lived.

    Folani, interestingly, was more prepared for this sort of warfare because of her experience fighting the Cardassians.

    I am still at a loss to understand how, in "The Ship," the writers didn't figure this solution out. Even if they were worried about it being too graphic, it could've been discussed and then done "offscreen" in some way.
     
  5. Gul Re'jal

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    When I was reading that part where Spiro was thinking about Starfleet, I had a picture of the Flashpoint characters in my mind: armed to teeth and wearing vests at all times. They would be way safer than an average Starfleeter in pyjamas. Not even mentioning lack of training for war. To think what a real soldier has to go through to be ready to be sent to a battlefield and have a chance of surviving...Starfleet Academy is far from that.
    She's seen more real fighting that many exploring the galaxy Starfleeters.
    I think they didn't want to find a solution. They wanted to create a weapon that inevitable killed, even if "only" wounded and they wanted Muniz to die. Otherwise the writers wouldn't bother with such a "vampire gun" and gave the Jemmies a regular weapon.

    I forgot to mention that I like the title, too :)
     
  6. Deranged Nasat

    Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Admiral

    Nice little piece; it feels like it could be a flashback from The Thirteenth Order (that is to say, it would work quite well dropped or inserted into the novel, at an appropriate time). In fact, it feels very much like a "stray" piece that's jumped into focus from a larger story, yet simultaenously without being notably tied to any specific context. That's a strength on several levels. On the first, the stark, somewhat chaotic narrative without many contextual pointers (other than the hypothetical/scientific) captures well the rush and adrenaline of battle, while the focused moments of lucid recognition (minds working sharply under strain) makes it feel like a crisp "snapshot". So it sells the wartime setting (to the extent that someone like myself with no such experience could judge such a thing ;)). On the second level, considering the thematic resonance of the story rather than the world it presents us, the lack of a full contextual structure also helps emphasize the wider truths about Starfleet's problematic approach to the conflict. This because the isolated snapshot of AR-558 as a specific battlefield, and the characters caught in this one moment could so easily be from any larger story or account. The fact that this feels so much like a stray flashback to me makes the reader consider the wider context it might be placed in (or so I think), and that encourages reflection on the many, many situations that presumably mirror this one in regards to Starfleet's poor preparation.

    What I'm trying to say is that, to my reading at least, the piece avoids a true concusion or a sense of context other than the moment, helping render the experience stark and immediate, while also brushing up against a readers' expectations for that missing context. Given that we're Trek fans and can fill that in ourselves, the result is a wonderful effect of self-contained events that become representative of an entire war's worth of moments. While I can't know if you intended it to read like this or it's just my mind going its own convoluted path to a conclusion (:lol:), I think it's
    cleverly handled and effective. Not that your writing is ever anything but.

    As for those arguments about Starfleet's problematic wartime decision-making, they speak to a rather poor showing from the writers, who decided to throw the Federation into a gritty, bloody war (and used episodes like "The Siege of AR-558" to showcase the reality) without addressing the problematic element of getting Starfleet ready for that type of conflict. So we end up with a Federation that looks more foolish than I imagine was possibly intended. No-one could possibly excuse
    the nonsense of NO BODY ARMOUR :lol:.

    "We would have replicated your troops some protective gear, Captain, but the Admiralty requires the power ration
    to run "Vulcan Love Slave" on the holosuite. Can't you just use the fallen as meaty shields? Call me if the Jem'Hadar get within range of Earth, will you?"

    By the way, I really liked Saan's characterization at the beginning - an acknowledgement of the cultural impropriety of his initial response and a request to "disregard". Getting Vulcans right is tricky (making them neither just humans with pointy ears or unconvincing, bland robots), but I really liked what I saw here.

    It strikes me: It's odd we never heard of Jem'Hadar ground forces using straightforward (last-resort) suicide tactics before. We know they're considered expendable, they use suicide runs frequently in space combat for maximum damage, they have no qualms or meaningful hesitation as regards their death. Yet we never saw a logical development the likes of which you present here.

    A final point: I agree with Gul Re'jal; it's a great title. :)

    Good work as always! I hope my rambling made sense there - I'm not the best when it comes to translating impressions into language. :lol:
     
  7. Thor Damar

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    I did post a brief review a few hours ago but for some reason the board ate it...oh well.


    I really like what's going on here especially this little gem...

    Nice to see the Cardassian Union actually being taken seriously as a technological power I say.:techman:

    Yours is a well written piece that really explores the nature and harsh realty of a truly terrible and hellish war brought down to a supremely personal level.

    May Oralius continue to guide your talents Legate.

    (PS is anyone going to enter this months fanfic challenge? I actually have a rather tongue in cheek kind of idea for it...)
     
  8. Nerys Ghemor

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    Indeed. While I get the idea there is some military discipline in Starfleet, it never strikes me as being anything like a modern military. It seems much more lax.

    There was a Trek video game series that had the crew of Voyager design some sort of armor for what they called their "Hazard Teams." But really, what were they thinking sending people to a major war so poorly equipped?

    I think it had to be a combination of politics and naivete. I can't think of any other reason.

    They should've thought more carefully, then. A different sort of poison. Perhaps--I hate to say it--a nerve toxin. A nasty, slow-acting nerve toxin. Maybe they were too afraid to show something like that in the Trek context.

    Thanks. :)

    You had me worried at first, saying it was a "stray" piece, but I'm glad to know it still works for you as something that can stand on its own. :)

    No combat experience here, though, either.

    I'm glad to hear that. :) The episode "The Siege of AR-558" felt that way to me on the show--as emblematic of bigger problems--so I'm glad to know you got that same sense.

    Maybe it was poor writing on the show...but I also think that TNG presented such a sanitized view of the future that I have to think that in universe, a LOT of naivete and even contempt for what they see as something that "lesser" peoples do (fight wars) would hinder their ability to respond when they were put in a position where they had to fight. It's the Neville Chamberlain empire.

    Honestly, Federation diplomatic and warfighting history in the 24th century is filled with stupidity, which was well-entrenched by the time DS9 rolled around.

    Thanks! Honestly, I was worried about how I characterized Saan. I was afraid that he would seem to have shown "too much" emotion. But personally...I think a being that didn't react at least a little to unexpected pain would be a Borg. I'm glad to know it came off right.

    Thanks. :)


    I knew my fellow Cardassian fans would spot that! ;)

    At least to my interpretation, everything we've seen on the show indicates that while the Cardassians are technologically behind in most fields (computers, shipbuilding, etc.), that in the biomedical field they are more advanced than the Federation. That their secret agents can travel through the Federation with impunity, that they can engineer viruses, that they can disguise people so convincingly that they literally think they've changed species...and that the one disease that stumped them stumped the Federation too (Yarim Fel syndrome...Bashir didn't pull a miracle cure out his ass that time), makes me think their technology in that area may be more advanced.

    Some of it, no doubt, is horribly ill-gotten gain (such as the tortures of Dr. Mengele...I mean Moset...) but whatever the source, that's what I've suspected about them for a long time.

    Thank you for reading! :)
     
  9. Deranged Nasat

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    Sorry about that. :) I was concerned that what I was trying to say would come out poorly, and I didn't want to imply that the piece as it stands doesn't work - because it does, as well as any of your others. It simply struck me as unusual (I wish I could articulate more effectively why), and it felt to me very much like a flashback divorced from its wider context, which actually worked very well when the piece is considered as a stand-alone. I wasn't sure whether you were specifically aiming for this effect, or if it's simply a combination of the intensity of the piece and my familiarity with the rest of your work "warping" my perceptions a bit, but it was effective either way. I wish I'd phrased it better, words like "stray" weren't the best choice.

    To be honest, NG, I've not yet found a single piece of fiction from you that didn't work. I think this piece may have just worked a little differently, is all. :)
     
  10. Gul Re'jal

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    PC game for Windows. "Elite Force." A good one :)

    But yes, it was not only protective, but also offered belts to attach ammunition, additional weapons and what not.
    http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Star-Trek-Elite-Force-2-Patch_3.jpg

    Does a standard uniform even have pockets?
     
  11. Nerys Ghemor

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    LOL, no evidence of pockets that I've ever seen. Except for the ENT uniform, which actually made sense because it looked like a flight suit, or like what astronauts wear on the space station.
     
  12. Thor Damar

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    ^ Once again we have to acknowledge the efficiency of Cardassian (and for that matter Bajorian) design since the standard uniform of a member in the Grand Fleet has several pockets with which to store various items and a belt to which they can easily be clipped onto. The wist communicator is a pretty good idea also.
     
  13. Rush Limborg

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    And it's not like it went completely unnoticed: note Sisko's frustration-filled "saint in paradise" speech in "The Maquis".


    Nerys, once again, brilliantly dramatic, literary--one might say operatic--and more than a little bit graphic. I can see elements of the greusomely unforgettable Normandy sequence in Saving Private Ryan.

    The biological weapon also brings to mind Vietnam (which was what I'd also thought when I saw "AR-558" for the first time). My grandfather was a Marine in 'Nam, who eventually died of cancer from the notorious Agent Orange (he was one of the guys sent out into areas where our side had sprayed that stuff). Though I never met him, the tales he told to my father, which Dad in turn told to me, still stick in my mind--including the children the enemy used as suicide bombers.

    (Interesting note: My grandfather once noted to Dad that Oliver Stone's Platoon very faithfully depicted what it was really like over there. I guess Stone being a veteran himself helps, in that case....)

    You built successfully on the foundation set by the one episode in all of Star Trek (aside, possibly, from "Nor The Battle To The Strong") which showed audiences firsthand the horrors of war.

    Well done. :)


    Now--a lighter note. I noticed this in a comment you made:

    "Pull a miracle cure out of his--"

    Ouch. As someone who likes Bashir, and understands the sentitive soul which comes out in full force when he sees people suffering, I must ask you--coldly dismissing his skills as "pulling miracle cures out of his..."?

    I'm sure you didn't mean to be cruel, but--shucks!
     
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    Not much is getting through that chest armour, either. :techman:
     
  15. Nerys Ghemor

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    Indeed. All of those things come together to give me the idea of a Starfleet that was almost as woefully prepared for this war as our Founding Fathers were for winter at Valley Forge.

    While I have not actually seen Saving Private Ryan, I've seen Band of Brothers, which is very much the same type of movie. Even the new Battlestar Galactica could be that way sometimes. But yes, that's definitely the effect I was going for, and why I got pretty graphic in my descriptions. (The same thing happened once during the Battle of Lessek in The Thirteenth Order, though not to that extent.)

    The anticoagulant "vampire gun" was seen on the show, but the suicide-bombing Jem'Hadar were my own invention.

    In my own case I would say I was thinking of Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the kamikaze warfare in World War II. Never been there, but it came to mind.

    Thanks. :)

    I would've made the same comment regardless of the series or the doctor involved. (Or even other circumstances when someone other than a doctor on Trek is involved.) A lot of times we're presented with Starfleet coming up with the convenient, just-in-time solution that at least from a viewer's standpoint does look like pulling something from out of their ass, usually involving a lot of technobabble--usually to make the opponents look like "dumb savages" in comparison to Our Heroes.

    Failure to do so demonstrates that this matter was serious. Or--as I suspect--that if the greatest medical minds on Cardassia couldn't do it, then odds were that a Starfleet doctor simply wasn't a match for it either.
     
  16. Rush Limborg

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    Noted. Still, it seemed as if you were singling the poor doctor out--and frankly, Bashir is probably the least technobabble-happy doctor of the whole pack....
     
  17. Nerys Ghemor

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    That might be, but everyone on that show did get their share of technobabble plot resolutions just so that the hero always saves the day.
     
  18. Rush Limborg

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    Touche. Of course, there was the memorable exception, "The Quickening", which ends with Bashir still looking to alleviate the sufferering of those not vaccinated.... And "Inter Arma..." implies that poor Julian never found a true cure, beyond the vaccine.

    But to your point...I strongly suspect that, had TPTB been possesed to do a Cardassian series (perhaps Gul Macet, and the crew of the Trager...?), they'd have their fair share of "miracle-solution" plots, too.
     
  19. Nerys Ghemor

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    Not sure...I think that might've taken a whole different tone since it wouldn't be bound to traditional Trek morals.

    (Hopefully not AS drastic as nuBSG, which was pretty much Murphy's Law for 4 years straight.)
     
  20. KimMH

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    An enjoyable (? not quite the word I'm looking for) read, thank you. I've been a bit swamped by real life and was pleased to come back to this.

    I confess I got a little lost on some of the technical aspects but as a Voy fan I just go with it. I enjoy knowing the world is wide and if it were within my grasp it would be a pretty poor cosmos inded!