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Old November 1 2014, 10:22 PM   #466
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Re: TOS in the 29th century...

When you're laying out decks for these things--especially when you have weird shapes like this secondary hull--you can't avoid wierd shaped rooms and left over spaces where you're left wondering: what the hell could possibly go in there? It's totally impractical (too wierd and/or too small) to be used as an actual room. WTF!!
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Old November 2 2014, 02:38 AM   #467
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Re: TOS in the 29th century...

Damage control lockers
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Old November 2 2014, 08:15 AM   #468
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Re: TOS in the 29th century...

If you've ever taken a tour of a battleship or other large navy vessel, you'll see weirdly shaped rooms everywhere!
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Old November 2 2014, 06:39 PM   #469
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^Exactly. I'm sure even in the 29th century they'll need various storage tanks, equipment nodes (comms. networking, a/c, plumbing), etc.
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Old November 6 2014, 05:13 PM   #470
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Okay, so here you can see where the warp nacelle access lift, alongside the main power conduit (smaller tube forward of the lift shaft) intersects the secondary hull on Deck 17. By good fortune the lift shaft intersects the main hull right at (or very near exactly) at deck level and in a less frequented part of the ship. There is a small room at the top of the shaft crammed with status and diagnostic boards and equipment. Generally this status/service room (and the shaft itself) is not accessed during normal operations. It is possible to go beyond the status room into the nacelle proper, but only when the warp engines are shut down. Also the nacelles are not environmentally controlled like the rest of the ship so the status room also serves as a sort of airlock where EVA gear is required to proceed into the nacelle.



The pylon access lift is a small and short cylindrical pod that can hold up to four people if necessary. The occupants are seated as the lift has a ceiling only a bit over 5ft.
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Old November 7 2014, 01:50 AM   #471
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This model is the most complex thing I've ever done. It's one thing to design the exterior of a ship even while trying to take correct scale into account. It's something else to layout it out deck-by-deck and trying to make everything that goes into it (well, as much as I can think of) fit all together. I'm gratified with how it's turning out even though I know of mistakes along the way.
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Old November 7 2014, 07:58 AM   #472
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Warped9 wrote: View Post
When you're laying out decks for these things--especially when you have weird shapes like this secondary hull--you can't avoid wierd shaped rooms and left over spaces where you're left wondering: what the hell could possibly go in there? It's totally impractical (too wierd and/or too small) to be used as an actual room. WTF!!
Not to derail (too much) bu I used to run in to this all the time when constructing space ships out of Legos. There would also be useless spaces, or odd shapes that would just be there. I hated it, so I always worked in either storage rooms, emergency supplies, or access to otherwise inaccessible parts.

Or, if most naval vessels are to be believed, that is where the illegal distillery goes

This is my first post in this thread, and I have to say, for such a large project, it looks fantastic. I don't have anything else to add except keep up the good work
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Old January 4 2015, 05:26 PM   #473
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It's been neraly two months since an update (due to real life variables) yet in the time I've been doing some thinking. There is a lot I like about this model and being able to pull off some tricky aspects in modeling it, but there are some things that irk me. I'm not totally happy with the secondary hull. It works fine enough, but I know it could be much better and it didn't occur to me until recently how it could be better.

I still like the overall concept of how the secondary hull connects with the dorsal, but now I realize what I did wrong. Unfortunately to fix it would really mean remaking the entire model because ithe secondary hull can't be changed in isolation. The change I have in mind would effect the support pylons and the ship's overall shape to remain looking integrated.

Note that I could probably salvage a lot of the interior work I've done. The Bridge, for example, could stay the same because changes to the outer hull need not affect the Bridge at all. A lot of the hangar deck could also likely be salvaged.

So now I'm considering how to proceed: either keep going with what I have or start again from scratch.

Hmm...
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Old January 5 2015, 06:15 AM   #474
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Re: TOS in the 29th century...

If it were me, I think I'd press on and then make a MKII with the changes, but then I do the same thing all the time and have yet to finish a model, so uh, yeah... lol
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Old January 5 2015, 10:54 AM   #475
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Re: TOS in the 29th century...

Is it worth making a quick'n'dirty mockup of the new secondary hull just to see how it looks? There may be additional changes required to make it look "just right" or the differences may be negligible between that and the original. But best to know, either way.
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Old January 5 2015, 12:01 PM   #476
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Is it worth making a quick'n'dirty mockup of the new secondary hull just to see how it looks? There may be additional changes required to make it look "just right" or the differences may be negligible between that and the original. But best to know, either way.
I was actually thinking about this approach. I could work up a concept model just to get a feel for it.

Hmmm...
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Old February 2 2015, 07:27 PM   #477
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Fascinating stuff! I'll admit I was a little skeptical about the ship design, but the 3D visualisation does it justice.
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Old February 2 2015, 07:34 PM   #478
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I've been diverted, but I will be coming back to this.
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