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Old June 22 2014, 03:13 AM   #16
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Re: Star Trek: Equinox

Why not a story that separates them from the Voyager continuity altogether? Not necessarily in the sense of a "better, stronger, faster" iteration of how a Federation vessel's abrupt deposit in the DQ should have been rendered, but at least as a fresh perspective on how the framework of addressing the challenges presented by being plunged into this extreme scenario might have been constructed by a wholly different crew whose original mission was quite dissimilar. A crew that also had some personalities that were more open or prone, shall we say, to more questionable moral or ethical decision making choices than our beloved stalwarts.
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Old June 22 2014, 10:30 PM   #17
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I would love an Equinox novel, there could be lots of interesting and dark storytelling about those characters, a very different tone from most Trek. I was always disappointed more wasn't done with the surviving Equinox crew on Voyager.
I agree. The story would be set in a somewhat environment, in a familiar timeline. I think it would be, yes darker and an excellent idea.l
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Old June 22 2014, 10:54 PM   #18
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Ugh, no.

I watch Star Trek because it is light, optimistic fare. I'm confused why so many people want to turn it into the updated Battlestar Galactica?
Because Equinox seemed a little more realistic. Here we have a battered starship with a hopeless crew who have had no choice but to abandon their ideals to simply survive. After 6 years in the Delta Quadrant I might have expected Voyager to be a little bit more like Equinox and not the same ship that started out it's long journey.
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Old June 24 2014, 02:24 AM   #19
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I thought this was going to be about the infamous fan film project starring John Savage and Gary Lockwood. http://startrekequinox.com/
I'd not heard of this. So... why make a TOS-era adventure when you have the guy who played the Captain in a VOY-era adventure? Wouldn't it make more sense to... do the story proposed herein? That'd be ace!
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Old June 24 2014, 08:56 PM   #20
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I thought this was going to be about the infamous fan film project starring John Savage and Gary Lockwood. http://startrekequinox.com/
I'd not heard of this. So... why make a TOS-era adventure when you have the guy who played the Captain in a VOY-era adventure? Wouldn't it make more sense to... do the story proposed herein? That'd be ace!
Am I the only one totally confused?
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Old June 25 2014, 10:42 AM   #21
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The guy is a LOT older looking, he doesn't have to play Ransom.
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Old June 25 2014, 12:23 PM   #22
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The guy is a LOT older looking, he doesn't have to play Ransom.
But that's who they have him listed as playing.
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Old June 25 2014, 04:40 PM   #23
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I'd totally like to see a novel about the surviving Equinox crew members after their return to the AQ with flashbacks throughout. I'm sure Kirsten MF Beyer would write the hell out of it!
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Old June 26 2014, 03:17 AM   #25
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Ugh, no.

I watch Star Trek because it is light, optimistic fare. I'm confused why so many people want to turn it into the updated Battlestar Galactica?
Because Equinox seemed a little more realistic. Here we have a battered starship with a hopeless crew who have had no choice but to abandon their ideals to simply survive. After 6 years in the Delta Quadrant I might have expected Voyager to be a little bit more like Equinox and not the same ship that started out it's long journey.
I disagree with that. I think 'Realistic' is somewhere between Voyager and Equinox. I would have liked to see a series where they found a way to push the boundaries of their morality but still having a basic moral foundation. Like, maybe you trade technology with aliens out of desperation for survival, but you don't go as far as to murder them.

My idea of a story about the Equinox crew. I forget the character's name but the girl who betrayed Equinox the most. She's applying for readmission into Starfleet. She tells them, I wasn't responsible. Ransom made the decision, I followed orders. What could I do? They were willing to kill those aliens they might have even killed me. They tell her they'll consider her reapplication but she can feel the passive hostility of the man she's talking to and knows she'll never be accepted back. She tells herself the same thing all the time, that she wasn't responsible, and some of the time she believes it and some of the time she doesn't. So, she tries to piece together what she did, she goes to a holodeck and watches the whole thing as a holodeck program.

The first version of the holodeck program supports her self-delusion, that she was responsible, she was threatened, and did everything she could. Then she goes through it a second time, only editing it to be more accurate. She accepts that she betrayed everything she believed in and wishes she and the Equinox had just accepted death. She plots suicide, but gets in some situation where she has to make a similar decision to trade her own safety for somebody else's life, and this time makes the morally right one, risking her life to save that of an unknown alien. For a second she thinks it makes everything she did okay, but she knows it really doesn't. She goes back to apply for readmission again, this time accepting her guilt and throwing herself on their mercy, and in their compassion they accept her back as a crewman.

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Old June 29 2014, 04:42 AM   #26
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My idea of a story about the Equinox crew. I forget the character's name but the girl who betrayed Equinox the most. She's applying for readmission into Starfleet. She tells them, I wasn't responsible. Ransom made the decision, I followed orders. What could I do? They were willing to kill those aliens they might have even killed me. They tell her they'll consider her reapplication but she can feel the passive hostility of the man she's talking to and knows she'll never be accepted back. She tells herself the same thing all the time, that she wasn't responsible, and some of the time she believes it and some of the time she doesn't. So, she tries to piece together what she did, she goes to a holodeck and watches the whole thing as a holodeck program.

The first version of the holodeck program supports her self-delusion, that she was responsible, she was threatened, and did everything she could. Then she goes through it a second time, only editing it to be more accurate. She accepts that she betrayed everything she believed in and wishes she and the Equinox had just accepted death. She plots suicide, but gets in some situation where she has to make a similar decision to trade her own safety for somebody else's life, and this time makes the morally right one, risking her life to save that of an unknown alien. For a second she thinks it makes everything she did okay, but she knows it really doesn't. She goes back to apply for readmission again, this time accepting her guilt and throwing herself on their mercy, and in their compassion they accept her back as a crewman.
Bravo!!! You have presented a very affecting and moving idea for a continuation of this tale. It just doesn't seem that it would have been that much of a stretch to have had more time focused on this character (Marla Gilmore by the way) or Noah Lessing before the end of the series, especially given the content of some of the subsequent episodes!! Even if limited to cameo(s) or afforded a more substantive proper RedShirt sendoff after an appropriately characterized bout of soul searching being portrayed, I think that some writer could have managed this sometime over the course of the last two seasons!!
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