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Old August 6 2014, 07:12 AM   #31
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Re: Holodecks are a boring technology to watch

Unfortunately, if holodecks were around now, we'd use it for hedonism, mostly by Beta males who have nearly-sheltered or sheltered lives. Oh, and thrill seekers and the deranged who need that natural high. Of course, such technology would make excellent teaching tools, but I digress...

Still, I am surprised that 'Trek never introduced the idea of dream manipulation a la "Inception", though, that one episode on DS9, the one where O'Brien had to live a lifetime in his own mind for breaking a rule on some planet, and then contemplate committing suicide for failing to live up to the standards of 24th century Earth. I forget which one.
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Old August 7 2014, 03:49 AM   #32
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Re: Holodecks are a boring technology to watch

It's true a lot of people would use it for hedonism but I doubt it'd be the only function. It'd be used for fitness training, and all kinds of job training for a variety of different fields. It could be used the way it was in Matter of Perspective to reconstruct crime scenes in the court room. It could be used for sports, like you could go to the best golf courses in the world without leaving your house. Run a full simulation of the American Ninja Warrior course. Climb Mt Everest without risking your life. It could be used for live sports broadcast. See Michael Jordan play against Lebron James in their respective primes. Walk on other planets. See Mike Tyson beating up Justin Bieber. And GAMING. First person shooters, blow your friends up to see who's better at it. And can you imagine what interesting strategy games nerds would come up with?

Hedonism, well obviously it would be used for that too. But not only by beta males. Let's put it this way: 50 Shades Of Grey. I think middle aged women would come up with far more depraved holodeck fantasies than beta males. Beta males would just put big breasts on submissive women who possibly look like aliens and/or animal hybrids. Amateur stuff.

Using other people's images in the holodeck is one of those things that I think is immoral but shouldn't be illegal because it doesn't interfere with that person's right to life, liberty and property. It's really not that much different from using somebody in your imagination like you can now.
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Old August 10 2014, 01:54 AM   #33
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Re: Holodecks are a boring technology to watch

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The scenes filmed in them are typically so utterly flawless that they come off as just another scene. They blend in. There's nothing visually interesting to look at. When something is created, it just appears. No projections or lasers or machinery of any kind. There's never any minor glitches to make me feel like I'm watching an amazing technology as opposed to actors just doing another scene.
Yes, it's instantaneous...what's the problem. If Worf can read a fairly instructive message on his tactical station instantaneously, why the computer should have a compilation delay for the holograms? What's you're suggesting would have been repetitive and quite ugly considering we're talking about a 1987 tv-show.
Agreed. I appreciate the objections stated, here and in many other threads, including writers' sloth, moral ambiguities, and the rest. But this, that the technology is too unobtrusive and the results too seamless? Eh. Well, in-universe it's supposed to operate seamlessly and I would well imagine that after it being a regular feature of the Starfleet existence for long enough, that its users strong expectation would demand such a standard. After all, kinoplasmic radiation surges are likely pretty rare and their aftereffects short lived. But the day in, day out routine and unexceptional functioning of a system and activity, while perhaps not absolutely integral, that does have a number of important applications and uses beyond the obvious one, would be the norm and unremarkable.

I wonder if this objection is fed by a level of disdain, sometimes subconscious perhaps, that some folks hold against the commonly expressed perfection or Utopian quality of life in 24th century Federation life, or at least its stripe that we have become habituated in viewing over the years.
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