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Old May 16 2013, 08:05 PM   #76
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

I hated the new effects when I first seen them too. And the second time. And the third. And the fourth. They started to grow on me after that. Although I do agree the original effects are definitely more authentic. I'm one of those people who thinks good model-work will always trump CG. And for all the criticisms it receives these days, for it's time TOS had some truly exceptional model shots, especially for what was a relatively modest television budget.
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Old May 16 2013, 08:14 PM   #77
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I hated the new effects when I first seen them too. And the second time. And the third. And the fourth. They started to grow on me after that. Although I do agree the original effects are definitely more authentic. I'm one of those people who thinks good model-work will always trump CG. And for all the criticisms it receives these days, for it's time TOS had some truly exceptional model shots, especially for what was a relatively modest television budget.
CGI is great. It's a modern marvel. But there are some things it can't do. Yet.

Those original Enterprise flybys made me believe. The remastered stuff looks cartoonish incomparison, in my humble opinion.

There's a reason that the original shooting model is in the NASM. Realism.

Remember the scene in Insurrection where Picard touches the Phoenix. It's tactile, it makes it real. Data didn't understand, but Picard knew. I feel the same way about shooting real models.

Check out some of the studio scale model threads on therpf.com .
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Old May 17 2013, 05:52 AM   #78
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Well you do have to recall there was a good 25 years between the shows. Budget on TOS was non existent. All the following series had multi million dollar budgets which covered writing and sets.

The great thing about TOS was the relationship between the three friends. And yeah, some of it was silly. It was geared towards kids mostly. But it did bring up a number of issues and was able to push TV in to some complex issues of the time. Issues today we might think silly. And it's still had the most beautiful ship designs. STNG's first Enterprise was just fat and ugly. Though the E did the name justice.

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Old May 17 2013, 06:51 AM   #79
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Given its ambition, money was tight on the original series, but it wasn't a "cheapie" by any means. The first season's average budget of $190,635 was comparable to other one-hour dramas of the time. However, it didn't help that the series' budget was slashed each season while simultaneously incurring annual contractual pay raises.

Having said that, the average first season budget would have yielded about $670,000 in 1987. Since TNG had a budget of $1.3 million per episode when it premiered (which later went up, unlike the original), there was certainly more money to go around on the sequel series.
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Old May 17 2013, 02:10 PM   #80
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Given its ambition, money was tight on the original series, but it wasn't a "cheapie" by any means. The first season's average budget of $190,635 was comparable to other one-hour dramas of the time. However, it didn't help that the series' budget was slashed each season while simultaneously incurring annual contractual pay raises.
This is probably the biggest reason that the series declined going forward. If the budget had at least stayed at the season 1 level, it would have made things better.

That isn't to say, though, that season 3 was terrible. While there were certainly clunkers in there, it also gave us many gems that I really enjoy because the stories hold up exceedingly well.
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Old May 17 2013, 05:57 PM   #81
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The original series hasn't aged at all. We have.
Yep. That about says it all, doesn't it?
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Old May 18 2013, 04:14 AM   #82
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I've never understood the mentality of these people who say they find something hard to watch just because it's "old". For me, it isn't a leap of faith to be able to put myself in the mindset of the time it was made and watch it in that context. Why compare something from 1966 to something from 2013?

I've found it the same with lots of stuff. I've known people who can't sit down and enjoy the 1960s Batman or the 1950s Adventures of Superman series... sure, if somebody doesn't like something that's just a matter of taste, but when the best they can come up with tO explain it away is the phrase "It's so OLD!", then I tend to wonder if the problem is the mindset of the person watching it, rather than anything being wrong with the material itself.

IMO television doesn't "age"... it matures. Gracefully.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:44 PM   #83
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I've never understood the mentality of these people who say they find something hard to watch just because it's "old". For me, it isn't a leap of faith to be able to put myself in the mindset of the time it was made and watch it in that context. Why compare something from 1966 to something from 2013?

I've found it the same with lots of stuff. I've known people who can't sit down and enjoy the 1960s Batman or the 1950s Adventures of Superman series... sure, if somebody doesn't like something that's just a matter of taste, but when the best they can come up with tO explain it away is the phrase "It's so OLD!", then I tend to wonder if the problem is the mindset of the person watching it, rather than anything being wrong with the material itself.

IMO television doesn't "age"... it matures. Gracefully.
Whenever I run into this attitude in real life, it's always from some know-nothing 22 year old (or younger) who thinks they're smarter than they really are. They haven't lived long enough to understand the difference. I suspect the folks who post those opinions here are the same age bracket.

I can't really blame them, I was that same way when I was that age. But it's hard not to let them annoy the hell out of me.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:37 PM   #84
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no , it's aging good:

Tos was bad and naif in '60 and it's bad and naif in 2013
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Old May 19 2013, 06:44 PM   #85
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Tos was bad and naif in '60 and it's bad and naif in 2013
What universe were you watching Trek in 1960?
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Old May 19 2013, 09:08 PM   #86
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

Personally I think TOS has aged quite well. The effects are dated but the show is still a blast to watch for me. One of my favourite TV series ever.

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no , it's aging good:

Tos was bad and naif in '60 and it's bad and naif in 2013
Which raises the question: what are you doing here ?

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I've never understood the mentality of these people who say they find something hard to watch just because it's "old". For me, it isn't a leap of faith to be able to put myself in the mindset of the time it was made and watch it in that context. Why compare something from 1966 to something from 2013?
Fully agree. I enjoy movies from the 20s, for pete's sake.
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Old May 21 2013, 02:24 AM   #87
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

As it ages I only appreciate it more. TOS at least had more of an emphasis on storyline then SPFX or as I call it "the crutch".

I mean, when don't have a good script, just save the scene by throwing in a lens flare.
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