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Old March 18 2015, 09:42 PM   #1306
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I'm just going to say this to start with: I don't think you can talk about Hydra without talking about Nazis...
We did see Schmidt (Red Skull) lazer the visiting Nazi. I didn't take that as anything other than Hydra ceding from the Nazi party.
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Old March 18 2015, 11:36 PM   #1307
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Some great analyses of the movies here, but I think it boils down to HYDRA's MO is to infiltrate other organizations for its own purposes as long as it suits them.
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Old March 19 2015, 12:47 AM   #1308
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Some great analyses of the movies here, but I think it boils down to HYDRA's MO is to infiltrate other organizations for its own purposes as long as it suits them.
Yep.
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Old March 19 2015, 03:47 AM   #1309
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I read that long response to my email but still can't se any endgame to a successful deployment of the helicarriers and elimination of that many targets. It would do nothing to further HydraShield's cause. It seems less like a logical plan and more like film writers desperate to incorporate some themes into the villain plot of the story and still have it be a safe bet that teenagers who thought Avengers was "k-e-w-l" would eat up.
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Old March 19 2015, 03:56 AM   #1310
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I'm just going to say this to start with: I don't think you can talk about Hydra without talking about Nazis...
We did see Schmidt (Red Skull) lazer the visiting Nazi. I didn't take that as anything other than Hydra ceding from the Nazi party.
I believe that you mean *seceding from the Nazi party.
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Old March 19 2015, 06:08 AM   #1311
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It's more that Schmidt saw himself as superior to the Nazis and HYDRA was beyond them.
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Old March 19 2015, 06:46 AM   #1312
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^^ Whether or not Hydra are Nazis from an in-universe perspective, Hydra are clearly just an example of the "A Nazi By Any Other Name" trope from a creative standpoint. They're a variation on the idea of Nazis.

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I read that long response to my email but still can't se any endgame to a successful deployment of the helicarriers and elimination of that many targets. It would do nothing to further HydraShield's cause.
Overthrowing the world's most powerful governments and militaries and leaving themselves the most powerful instrument of violence ever developed in the history of the MCU Earth, thereby allowing them to establish a fascist regime? How does this not further their cause? Worldwide totalitarianism IS their cause.

It seems less like a logical plan and more like film writers desperate to incorporate some themes into the villain plot of the story and still have it be a safe bet that teenagers who thought Avengers was "k-e-w-l" would eat up.
Listen. This is a Marvel Studios film. Obviously, the third act is going to end with something going "Ka-Boom." That's just the creative conceit of the kind of films Marvel are doing: They fit the secondary genre into the primary genre of the superheroic adventure.

You either accept that creative conceit or you don't. But it's absurd to be upset at a Captain America movie for being a Captain America movie. Just like it would be absurd to be upset that Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy didn't end with a shoot-out and an explosion: It's just not the kind of film they were doing.
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Old March 21 2015, 07:00 PM   #1313
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Here's the newest Avengers trailer. It's probably in the Avengers thread but I'm avoiding it's spoilers.

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