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View Poll Results: Do fans want the prime timeline back?
I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back. 196 56.32%
I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back. 57 16.38%
I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back. 38 10.92%
I don't care, just give me Trek! 51 14.66%
I don't know. 6 1.72%
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Old September 7 2014, 09:01 PM   #1336
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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The Prime timeline isn't a formula, it's the contiguous history from the first episode of the original series to Voyager's last.
I wish you were right. They neglected a lot of the things they had in their bag of tricks from TOS (mostly) and from the movies as well. I like all three of the 24th C. series, but that doesn't mean there weren't missed opportunities here and there.

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The Prime timeline isn't a formula, it's the contiguous history from the first episode of the original series to Voyager's last.
WRONG. It's the contiguous history from the first episode of Enterprise to Voyager's last.
I wish you were wrong. My biggest problem with Enterprise isn't that it sucked, it's that it was the most formulaic of all the series.

I think the new movies are willing to take a lot of good risks as well as some bad ones. I don't like how Kirk has developed in the last movie, but they did introduce some cool new ideas.

- Updated space suits look good and are very functional. It felt right that they used them in action scenes because it essentially tells the same kind of story as a oldschool fight from the television shows. It is just more interesting to look at this way, and it makes more sense when you think about it: they should never have to beam down to crazy environments with only a tricorder and a remote control looking phaser.

- lots of different uniforms and unique aliens are more alien in appearance

- new Klingons are a great design. Did anyone else think the TNG era Klingons were a bit stale and too similar? They're still my favorite alien in any series, along with Vulcans. It made their entrance more impressive.

- I may not like the new interior of the Enterprise, but I do like that the helm controls are more robust. For the displays and all, LCARS is great, but I can't imagine a great pilot being able to use iPad controls to do everything.

- I like the way Starfleet as a whole is portrayed. It is basically the military but it's not designed expressly for war. The semantics of it all are up for debate, but I always understood it as being both the defense force of the Federation without turning the Federation into some kind of belligerent power.

- as much as Kirk acts like a jackass, all of the other characters are on point and endearing. Yes they had those roles for a long time, but Chekov always kind of got shat on before. It seems like everyone has an important role other than their station now, so there's lots of room to develop their characters. That's one of the reasons I'd like to see a regular Spock in the next one...not an angry one (enough already)

all of these work in either timeline, I'm just glad they aren't restricted by convention just because it was done that way before
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Old September 7 2014, 09:50 PM   #1337
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Although I like to pretend ENT, TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY are all one neat future history, it doesn't hold up if you look closely.
Exactly. Furthermore, the term "prime" used to refer to the source material (the series actually called Star Trek) and all of the filmed derivative works except Abrams' Star Trek is fan invention. The use of the term in ST09 refers only to Mr. Spock from TOS, nothing more.
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Old September 7 2014, 10:07 PM   #1338
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Although I like to pretend ENT, TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY are all one neat future history, it doesn't hold up if you look closely.
Exactly. Furthermore, the term "prime" used to refer to the source material (the series actually called Star Trek) and all of the filmed derivative works except Abrams' Star Trek is fan invention. The use of the term in ST09 refers only to Mr. Spock from TOS, nothing more.
Not necessarily. I don't think that it was ever stated that Prime didn't refer to Nemoy's reprised character.
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Old September 8 2014, 03:28 PM   #1339
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I know there were lots of mistakes. I know there were times when previous writing was overlooked. And this is true from within TOS onward. There were different writers and producers even within "the source material." And they were all human as far as I know, so yes there were going to be mistakes, people who disagree/dislike the way things were written before, errors upon errors, all of that. But I do see an attempt at creating an overall timeline. This attempt was obvious. There is no pretending on my part. Granted, again, I do see the obvious mistakes that were made. I also acknowledge the not-so-obvious mistakes that can be found after tons of rewatching (or because...internet). I get it. But I also see the undeniable and very obvious placement of characters and settings to line up with particular times and places within the existing (though admittedly flawed and at times inconsistent) Star Trek universe. And I thought that was incredibly cool and to me it made Star Trek feel larger and more realistic in a way overall. When I tuned into any show or movie from any Trek series, I felt as if I was stepping into a vast universe that had a very rich history. Each series was connected within a flawed but ever-building timeline within this grand saga. And to me, that sets Star Trek apart. I'm sorry if that sounds elitist, foolish, stubborn, or whatever you would like to call it. I simply see and appreciate the large universe that was built, flaws and all. And I love it.
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Old September 8 2014, 04:16 PM   #1340
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Also: the earliest event in the Prime Universe took place in Voyager's "Death Wish", at the birth of the universe, and a recollection of the latest took place in Star Trek (2009), in the mind meld, of Spock trying to save Romulus (at least, IIRC). We could say that the prime timeline is the continuous history from Voyager to nuTrek, from a certain point of view.
I'd say that the latest took place in either "Living Witness" or "Shockwave", which both have portions that take place in the 31st century.
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Also: the earliest event in the Prime Universe took place in Voyager's "Death Wish", at the birth of the universe, and a recollection of the latest took place in Star Trek (2009), in the mind meld, of Spock trying to save Romulus (at least, IIRC). We could say that the prime timeline is the continuous history from Voyager to nuTrek, from a certain point of view.
I'd say that the latest took place in either "Living Witness" or "Shockwave", which both have portions that take place in the 31st century.
Well, I gotta agree about "Living Witness" for sure, don't know how that slipped my mind.

But the future shown in "Shockwave" parts 1 & 2 is one in which the Federation never existed, right?
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