Set blueprint exchange

Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by Redgeneral, May 10, 2014.

  1. Redgeneral

    Redgeneral Commander Red Shirt

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    B.J. - on the flickr page, there is a downwards pointing arrow graphic. When clicked on, it shows a box of links including "View All Sizes" - this link takes you to a page where you can click to see each size including the original full size. I should have been clearer with the instructions.

    Count - I don't have the measurement for the doors yet, but I used the K-beam arch (which frames the door) to help determine the measurements.


    A quick general question - should I continue posting my blueprints in this thread or should they go in a new thread? This one was set up to find original set plans on the web and collect them for all before they vanished.

    Making a new thread may be best as I don't want to take this thread off-topic and bury set plan finds.


    I intend to keep working on both finding original set plans and developing new ones.
     
  2. TE Williams

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    I want to give a big "Thank you!" to everyone who has contributed (especially Redgeneral) to this effort. I'm in the early stages of building a 3d cross-section of my Galaxy Class USS Atlantic in Sketchup, and these measurements are helping a lot as I construct the basic components.
     
  3. Mytran

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    I for one say keep posting them here. They are all "BLUEPRINTS" after all
     
  4. FalTorPan

    FalTorPan Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Do these links include links to high-resolution scans of the old Pocket Books Star Trek: The Motion Picture Blueprints? I'm interested in orthogonal drawings of the bridge chairs. Thanks!

    Update: Just checked the various links. Didn't see any TMP chairs. D'oh!
     
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  5. Bernard Guignard

    Bernard Guignard Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I drew these years ago based on the Kimble blueprints. I hope they help you

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  6. Redgeneral

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    I've made another blueprint, this time for the standard door in Voyager
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/15795485294/

    The doors in Voyager were generally standardised for widths and heights (unlike TNG doors that varied due to inheriting TMP sets). There are a few exceptions such as the engineering room and transporter room doors. Also the surface of each door was built up in layers of material.

    I will be blueprinting the door controls, engineering door, and transporter room door soon.
     
  7. Mytran

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    Thanks, I did not know that about the layering on the doors.
     
  8. lewisniven

    lewisniven Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Awesome thanks! If you don't mind me asking, where are you getting all these measurements from? I've never seen anything on the net with schematics in this kind of detail.
     
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    Mytran - you can only really see the very thin layers when the camera is at extreme angles such as this one:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16425972182/

    lewisniven - For my blueprints so far, I've mostly been working from scratch using picture reference with known heights (such as other set pieces or actor heights)

    In the case of the standard voyager door, I managed to pull the doorway dimensions from a blueprint of the turbolift. I applied various filters to the original image to enhance the numbers and then I transcribed them
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/15758142490/in/set-72157644597012434

    Once I had the doorway dim (and checked it against height of actors), I used these known dims to extrapolate the rest of the panels that make up the door.

    As the k-beam dims on the the voyager mess hall plans were trimmed down in places (I presume they were originally going to adapt them somehow), I had to start from scratch. The K-beam arch was determined from actor height (I put a picture showing the process at https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16135248097/)

    For the holodeck arch I used the K-beam arch as a starting point (as these surround the holodeck doors). I used a mixture of these dims, actor heights, and sketchup's photomatch feature (which gave me a good base on which to refine and improve).


    To draw up each plan, I first model the feature from scratch in cinema 4D (greater control than sketchup I feel), export to sketchup and then to sketchup's layout program. This program renders the model in plan view to an A4, and then I just use the dimensions tool to add the measurements (it automatically pulls the dims from the sketchup model).

    This is a lot easier than drawing it all from scratch in Inkscape (vector drawing program). I used to do that for blueprint booklets for the Project Dalek Forum (http://www.projectdalek.com/). I've made blueprints for several different Dalek types (Planet Supreme, Necros, Renegade, Renegade Supreme, Imperial Emperor).


    Count - I'm afraid we've already got that one in the flickr albums as well as drawings of the intended set
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14884671964/in/set-72157644205918860
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14700592937/in/set-72157644205918860
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14700452320/in/set-72157644205918860
    Screenshot - https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16426623482/ (you can see the shuttle bay wall above the Romulan logo)

    The shuttle bay set was altered from season 2 onwards, but I believe the end with the giant space door remained the same


    My current wip blueprint projects are:
    - Holoarch control panels
    - TNG Holodeck doors
    - TNG Holodeck floor and walls (that groovy grid pattern)
    - Voy Turbolift (the top part detail, control panel)
    - Voy Door button panel / turbolift call panel

    Next projects:
    - Non-standard doors on voyager (engineering and transporter room)
    - TNG shuttle bay
    - Borg alcove
     
  11. lewisniven

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    Awesome, thanks Redgeneral, appreciate your work, the results of some onf which you can see taking shape on my blog.

    Do we have any decent schematics of the TNG observation lounge?
     
  12. Redgeneral

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    lewisniven - I'm afraid I don't have anything on the observation lounge other than the stage plan (stage 8)
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14124054026/in/set-72157644182443257
    and the stage size
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14924072934/in/set-72157646458267093
    [The large original images can be grabbed from the downwards arrow icon on the right side of the page]


    This site may help your projects - its a virtual tour of the various tng sets (360 degree photos)
    http://digitalproperties.ca/enterprise/index.php?id=1


    I will say your latest corridor render on your blog looks incredible - really amazing work
     
  13. Mytran

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    I had no idea that the Romulan set was in the Cargo Bay; fascinating! For a scene that later (and earlier ) Treks would utilise a simple wall behind the actor, this shows the extra effort that they went to in order to try and convey the size of the new Romulan ship.
     
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    What's even more impressive is that as best I can tell, they managed to convey that size without doing any forced-perspective gags (like in TMP with the child in a radsuit positioned along the horizontal intermix chamber to help sell the illusion that it stretched most of the length of the secondary hull).
     
  15. FalTorPan

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    Thanks!
     
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    The "Neutral Zone" Warbird bridge set is impressive. I always thought it looked great, especially for something featured for maybe one minute.
     
  17. Redgeneral

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    Count noticed earlier in this thread that the nacelle room in TNG was reused as part of the Voyager engineering set

    Looking at the screen caps, I've noticed that the nacelle room set reused a previous set element. The large aperture is actually the brig cell entrance.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/16258323229/
     
  18. Mytran

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    Good catch. That room is a fascinating collection of past and future set pieces!
     
  19. Count

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    I believe the nacelle tube floorplan can be determined by assuming that the dimensions of the set are the same as they are for the voyager engineering section. The only differences between it and Voyager is that there is the extra 3 door "stepped" area at the entry, which in the Nacelle tube is just a Jefferies tube door and on the opposite side at the upper level where Torres' console used to be is the brig hatch.

    Someone can probably draw up schematics based on existing references, someone who knows how to draw (not me :P)
     
  20. Count

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    Also, in regards to the holodeck door arch, does this image help at all?

    http://0.static.wix.com/media/f2d032_b9568c092d5c3ebde226953a6e9644c0.jpg_1024

    It's a photo from the TNG sets in 89 when they were testing the usability of the big engineering space as a holodeck entry. It's one of the earlier redresses that Probert tried. we know the corridor is 8' tall, that means the doors must be too, amirite?