STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

IIRC there is an interview with Peter Weller where he mentions LeMay in respect to his character.

 

I agree! Since I live in a state with the unofficial state song "In Heaven There Is No Beer",I also think any movie is better with beer -or set in a brewery!
Image the magnificence of F&F 6 - set in the MillerCoors plant, or Iron Man at the old Blatz factory!

 

She was built in the atmosphere. I kinda hope she can maneuver there.

Just like TWOK right?

Cause you can totally invade a planet by beaming five people at a time.

And Kirk has blue eyes and McCoy is Australian. New actors.

He was only mostly dead.

Nah, we're good.

 

+1

 

Yep.

 

Nero was the one going around destroying planets. That's the genocide you're looking for. You seem intent on widening the definition of genocide to include the one who stops the genocide from continuing, but that's blatant nonsense.

Not a fan of TOS, I take it. Or is that what we call the "just because TOS did it doesn't make it okay" fallacy?

Supposedly, it will be explained in the comics. It isn't explained by the alternate universe because Khan is originally from long before 2233.

 

Loved the film until the Kahn reveal.
It spoiled it for me, he was blatantly no-where NEAR Mexican enough.

Heh I just realised this film now fits in with the "all admirals are evil" trope.

I think in the entirety of Trek there's only Admiral Ross from DS9 and Pike from the first film that don't completely go xenophobic or downright evil the second they get promoted from Captain.

Oh, and Kirk, but the jury's still out on that one

 

You're not getting it. Engineering WAS filmed at NIF.

Whether or not there were one or two scenes that showed the brewery as well is an insignificant factoid.

The enduring LOOK of engineering in THIS movie is derived from the shoot at NIF.

That's it. I'm gonna let it go at that. I've had long experience at semantics on this board and I can see this discussion going that route. So I'll let you have the last word on this (if you want).

 

Hardly a fallacy. TOS was a product of its era, which was nearly 50 years ago. Society has changed drastically since then, and things which were acceptable then are far less so now.

Whether this film goes too far is a matter of personal opinion, but I read several mainstream reviews which criticised this aspect.

 

I'm not looking to have the last word, here. I'm trying to surmise if you are taking "engineering" to mean "just the place with the warp core". If so, then you are of course correct. I always understood "engineering" to be broader than just one room (see TNG for what I mean by one room.)

 

Ever though of sticking to the previous TV shows, movies and fans shows and NOT watch the new ones?

 

Who cares?

I'll take a STID which is consistent with TOS on this issue over a STID which conforms to modern political correctness in a bid for "acceptance".

 

There's really no virtue to being consistent with something that espouses outdated and unfair values. None at all.

 

Just about recovered from an hour or so panic attack induced by watching STiD, and the shear wrongness of the casting.....

Still too angry and stressed to post coherently at this point.

 

This is self-evident.

 

Oops.
Keith Urban's Australian right?

Then why post at all?

 

The needs of the many.

 

Yeppers.

Keith= Aussie
Karl= Kiwi

 

Hey, thanks for not considering me a mindless automaton for simply enjoying the movie. I've been seeing that on movie sites when I mention that I like STiD. It gets depressing.

Oh, you mean world class ham. In that case, Montalban has Cumberbatch beat. No one hammed it up like he did when playing Khan in TWOK, and I do mean that as a compliment.

Cumberbatch definitely played Khan as a cold calculator, one who really has no care whether you live or die, as long as you suit his purposes. Montalban's Khan was much more over the top in terms of villainy.

Two totally different styles from two totally different actors. Each has their strengths and weaknesses, I feel.

If you can, please do. I've seen dozens of Sherlock Holmes iterations, and this one is my favorite of them all. Benedict Cumberbatch's Holmes is a rather eccentric, genius, self described "consulting detective," and is ably played to the hilt. It also helps that Martin Freeman is a very versatile actor and does a splendid job playing the role of Dr. John Watson.