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Old June 8 2014, 06:53 AM   #31
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This pretty much sums it up. It'll be several years before first 4k sources appear to get the full effect but even then the human eye won't notice a difference from 1080p to 4K.

Personally if i wanted to buy i'd go for a better screen technology like OLED to get a better picture. You will gain a far better picture quality with this new tech than just upping the resolution capability for which there is no source currently.
If the human eye can't tell the difference then why don't manufacturers concentrate on quality? My brother went through a couple of large flat screen TVs. The good old CRT TVs lasted forerver.
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Old June 8 2014, 06:57 AM   #32
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This pretty much sums it up. It'll be several years before first 4k sources appear to get the full effect but even then the human eye won't notice a difference from 1080p to 4K.

Personally if i wanted to buy i'd go for a better screen technology like OLED to get a better picture. You will gain a far better picture quality with this new tech than just upping the resolution capability for which there is no source currently.
If the human eye can't tell the difference then why don't manufacturers concentrate on quality? My brother went through a couple of large flat screen TVs. The good old CRT TVs lasted forerver.
Plasma sets are always going to wear out. It's the nature of the technology. But I think new LCD sets these days are much more durable than they used to be. I don't know much about OLED.
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Old June 8 2014, 05:41 PM   #33
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^ Do you suppose a person might get arrested for playing "nude" imagery on their OLED clothing? No doubt there will be "Predator" dynamic camouflage fans, too.
Public nudity laws should remain in effect, what people display on them in the privacy of their own homes though... ;-)

I'm pretty sure *insert applicable branch[s] of the US Gov* has already perfected this tech for camouflage.
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Old June 8 2014, 07:30 PM   #34
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Plasma sets are always going to wear out. It's the nature of the technology. But I think new LCD sets these days are much more durable than they used to be. I don't know much about OLED.
All current display technology is subject to aging. Plasma and modern LCD are pretty much on a par. From the research I've done, OLED is some way behind in terms of longevity. They also have a known problem with blue pixels aging considerably faster than the red and green, which may cause signifcant problems with colour rendition after a relatively short time. Manufacturers are working on it.

I lament Panasonic's decision to end production of Plasma display's, which IMHO, are streets ahead of even the best LCD's.
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Old June 8 2014, 07:56 PM   #35
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People are still in the belief that "Plasmas will acquire burn-in", which probably doesn't help sales at all.

I've had my 51" plasma for 2 years now and it's still as bright as the day I bought it. That's with it getting 3hr use daily on average.

You will notice the difference between 4K and 1080p on a TV 50" or bigger if you sit close to it, like 5-6 feet away. If you get something bigger than 70" then 4K will become indispensable.
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Old June 8 2014, 08:09 PM   #36
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People are still in the belief that "Plasmas will acquire burn-in", which probably doesn't help sales at all.

I've had my 51" plasma for 2 years now and it's still as bright as the day I bought it. That's with it getting 3hr use daily on average.

You will notice the difference between 4K and 1080p on a TV 50" or bigger if you sit close to it, like 5-6 feet away. If you get something bigger than 70" then 4K will become indispensable.
You'd have to be quite reckless to achieve permanent burn-in on a Panny plasma - video games on "Vivid" mode (don't use this people) for hours and hours etc. Calibrate your set and watch a regular diet of varying aspect ratios - and you don't even have to think about burn/uneven phosphor aging.

Panny's are rated at approximately 80,000 to 100,000 hours to half brightness. Most consumers will change their sets long, long before that.
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Old June 8 2014, 08:14 PM   #37
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This pretty much sums it up. It'll be several years before first 4k sources appear to get the full effect but even then the human eye won't notice a difference from 1080p to 4K.

Personally if i wanted to buy i'd go for a better screen technology like OLED to get a better picture. You will gain a far better picture quality with this new tech than just upping the resolution capability for which there is no source currently.
If the human eye can't tell the difference then why don't manufacturers concentrate on quality? My brother went through a couple of large flat screen TVs. The good old CRT TVs lasted forerver.

They do but having a new buzzword is going to draw more buyers thinking they need to have the technology now because 4000 is at least 4x better than 1080. 3D didn't work out as much as they had hoped so they came up with something new to sell.
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Old June 9 2014, 06:48 AM   #38
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This pretty much sums it up. It'll be several years before first 4k sources appear to get the full effect but even then the human eye won't notice a difference from 1080p to 4K.

Personally if i wanted to buy i'd go for a better screen technology like OLED to get a better picture. You will gain a far better picture quality with this new tech than just upping the resolution capability for which there is no source currently.
If the human eye can't tell the difference then why don't manufacturers concentrate on quality? My brother went through a couple of large flat screen TVs. The good old CRT TVs lasted forerver.

They do but having a new buzzword is going to draw more buyers thinking they need to have the technology now because 4000 is at least 4x better than 1080. 3D didn't work out as much as they had hoped so they came up with something new to sell.
They are idiots.

For one:

A. Wearing the 3D glasses is a pain in the ass.

However,

B. People would be willing to put up with it if the 3D was any good. Most movies do 3D post processing, in essence making it into gimmicky "diorama" style scenes, and not "true 3D" as your eyes would see it. The human brain is not stupid, it can tell that type of 3D is "fake", and gets annoying very quickly.

And also: C. Most 3D glasses dim the light coming from your display. On a Plasma this is killer because Plasmas are already dimmer than LED panels. But even owners of bright LED's don't want to stick dimming filters in front of their eyes.
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Old June 11 2014, 04:57 PM   #39
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People would be willing to put up with it if the 3D was any good. Most movies do 3D post processing, in essence making it into gimmicky "diorama" style scenes, and not "true 3D" as your eyes would see it. The human brain is not stupid, it can tell that type of 3D is "fake", and gets annoying very quickly.
Yes, after 200 yards or something like that our field of stereoscopic vision ends, so if you like looking at breathtaking landscapes these will inevitably have to be 2D.

Reminds me of the SW (New Hope opening scene) demo I saw. Although our viewpoint was a good mile from Vader's Star Destroyer (1 mile long) that thing looked 3D - and inevitably like a model suspended in front of the viewer.

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Most 3D glasses dim the light coming from your display. On a Plasma this is killer because Plasmas are already dimmer than LED panels. But even owners of bright LED's don't want to stick dimming filters in front of their eyes.
And that also reduces picture resolution or visibility. When I first watched "Tron Legacy" in 3D I couldn't see which book the Olivia Wilde character was holding. In brighter 2D the title "Myterious Island" became visible.

Just wondering how 4K affects LG's polarized 3D glasses. Resolution used to be an issue here, theoretically with 4K LG displays should enable 3D in FullHD?!

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Old June 11 2014, 09:41 PM   #40
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People would be willing to put up with it if the 3D was any good. Most movies do 3D post processing, in essence making it into gimmicky "diorama" style scenes, and not "true 3D" as your eyes would see it. The human brain is not stupid, it can tell that type of 3D is "fake", and gets annoying very quickly.
Yes, after 200 yards or something like that our field of stereoscopic vision ends, so if you like looking at breathtaking landscapes these will inevitably have to be 2D.

Reminds me of the SW (New Hope opening scene) demo I saw. Although our viewpoint was a good mile from Vader's Star Destroyer (1 mile long) that thing looked 3D - and inevitably like a model suspended in front of the viewer.

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Most 3D glasses dim the light coming from your display. On a Plasma this is killer because Plasmas are already dimmer than LED panels. But even owners of bright LED's don't want to stick dimming filters in front of their eyes.
And that also reduces picture resolution or visibility. When I first watched "Tron Legacy" in 3D I couldn't see which book the Olivia Wilde character was holding. In brighter 2D the title "Myterious Island" became visible.

Just wondering how 4K affects LG's polarized 3D glasses. Resolution used to be an issue here, theoretically with 4K LG displays should enable 3D in FullHD?!

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Pretty much man.

I think even on 4K panels, the same issues will remain with current 3D technology.

I have a 3D plasma, and I thought Thor looked really good in certain scenes in 3D, but there really hasn't been a new movie that uses the technology in a satisfying way.

I'm told Avatar is supposed to be incredible 3D. I saw the non-3D version and the story was so mind-numbingly stupid, I have no desire to see it again, 3D or no 3D.
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I'm told Avatar is supposed to be incredible 3D. I saw the non-3D version and the story was so mind-numbingly stupid, I have no desire to see it again, 3D or no 3D.
Same here, but at least Jim Cameron understood that a spaceship watched from some distance will look 2D in front of a celestial object.

In-Three Inc. promised me after that awful SW demo that they'd educate film directors accordingly. Well, at least they can learn from Cameron.

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